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Jason O. Yay! I can hear you.

Conrad Jacobson okay this is the right one

Dhony Silva Hello from Brazil

Conrad Jacobson I followed the link that came through discord

Adam Wiggall Good evening everyone

Mike Hughes 👋

Dhony Silva It’s

Dhony Silva It’s better to cancel it

Daniel Porter Congrats Rebecca!

Adam Wiggall I'm on Chapter 4, it's great so far, especially for a Beta

Mike Hughes I'm on chapter 2

Mike Hughes got my Tunez set up

Allen Wyma Ash has a great ecosystem with many features. The part that has been difficult for me and some others is the lack of documentation and tutorials. With the great work done on the book…

Allen Wyma Will this in turn lead to some more updates on the documentation?

Bryan Bryce whaddidi miss?

Bryan Bryce What is Ash doing? Magic.

Conrad Jacobson testing the framework would be useful anyway, as sometimes there are things which should be happening, but sometimes aren't, useful for finding bugs in the framework, which you then contribute back

Conrad Jacobson improving it for everyone

Conrad Jacobson I think those are just performative statements though (about not looking at x until y is ready)...

Dhony Silva I’m gonna contribute to the documentation

Conrad Jacobson core team is open to changes and improvements to documentation, so it is a community thing, I've made various contributions to improve for everyone

James Harton @Dhony Silva please do!

Bryan Bryce 100%

Conrad Jacobson yup 100% (on assumptions) and way to learn

Conrad Jacobson can you do `can` in a code interface?

Bryan Bryce I'd be good at docs since I'm not that bright 😂

Conrad Jacobson TIL amazing :)

Conrad Jacobson I've been doing Ash.can... up until now

Mike Hughes not necessarily an Ash/Elixir specific question but any thoughts on clamping down on registration spam?

Conrad Jacobson some form of captcha / requiring user confirmation @Mike Hughes

Mike Hughes yes!

Conrad Jacobson will we be getting something to do help with Trees i.e: what Josh has a blog post about the whole recursive CTE thing, anyway to make that some extension and make it re-usable, I...

Adam Wiggall On the Auth subject, any thoughts of adding invitations?

Conrad Jacobson I tried to have it add a virtual field showing the 'depth' of the relationship

Mike Hughes When I told my wife we had 400 signups she was stoked, then i told her it was all spam and she was not stoked any longer

Steve Frank There a unified way to keep up with ash news? The form action is really nice. Where should I be looking for announcements like that?

Conrad Jacobson sorry not Josh, James!

Conrad Jacobson I see Josh confused

Mike Hughes i'm an Ltree user in Ash

Conrad Jacobson you half did it, it's half complete

Mike Hughes i love it

Conrad Jacobson I've looked at ltrees, but you cant do FK's with it right?

Conrad Jacobson It's not a blog, but I don't think I can post links, it's a gist, apologies for making work for you to look in your blog code

dog bone Congrats on the ASH book!!

Mike Hughes is there an adapter for rqlite? and, if not, how difficult is it to create one?

Josh Price I was slightly confused for a second... ;)

Mike Hughes chatgpt :D

Bryan Bryce right, automate it with an LLM

Mike Hughes i'd be happy to help build a chatgpt summary tool

Conrad Jacobson published author now sevenseacat :)

Conrad Jacobson was it a Rails book?

Bryan Bryce Before I went off the Rails...

Steve Frank And I know this is unlikely, but how about a unified ash docs that merges all ash libraries. There are so many and I often have many tabs open for each. So many asks! 😆

Bryan Bryce I'm make sure and file some issues on Ash Auth + Multitenency 😀

Steve Frank But seriously, for a newbie, I think that would help

Bryan Bryce Have you seen AshHQ Steve?

James Harton @Bryan Bryce hit me up on Discord because I want to talk about how that might work. Most of our clients have users/orgs as a "global" dataset

Bryan Bryce Wait...maybe they removed the unified search

Conrad Jacobson this is more generalized, but regarding AshOban, does anyone ever expose the jobs table as an Ash resource and use that to show status in the UI? I feel kind of dirty doing that, but theres no reason.

Mike Hughes @Steve Frank on macos i've found Dash to be helpful with that but agreed, lots of different places to look

Bryan Bryce @James Harton Much of it already works, there's just some pieces that need to pass the tenant.

Barnabas Jovanovics There is an effort to get mutli package search working in hex docs which should make it a lot easier to find the right stuff

Steve Frank Oh I like the front page. Highlighting them

Conrad Jacobson yup MCP for anthropic, should be cool for tooling

Conrad Jacobson I added some extra info for that @Bryan Bryce in the Guides - mostly around ashauth users / multitenancy

Bryan Bryce @Conrad Jacobson Nice! Do you have a link?

Conrad Jacobson PR 1708 on ash repo @Bryan Bryce

Bryan Bryce Cool

Conrad Jacobson when is there an Elixir conf in the SEA / Oceania?

Steve Frank Can you talk about how you keep compile times down for larger resources? I have a few that often give me the 10s warning message.

Barnabas Jovanovics ObanWeb is going open source in the near future, thats a good option to see job status and even more

Mike Hughes I believe it is open source now?

Conrad Jacobson yeah, ObanWeb, but more for an end user, do y'all ever connect things and show it in custom UI?

Conrad Jacobson I don't think out yet Mike, I've heard sometime soon (unless already out in past few days)

Barnabas Jovanovics haven't had to do that yet, but there isn't anything stopping you from doing it.

Barnabas Jovanovics it also depends on if the regular read actions give you the metrics you want, but you could also just create generic actions that just do ecto queries that return you the metrics you want

Barnabas Jovanovics and just use ash for auth and things like taht

Conrad Jacobson so no anonymous change actions in the actions?

Ash Framework https://hexdocs.pm/spark/split-up-large-dsls.html

James Harton correct

Conrad Jacobson also reducing compile times, you don't use the structs in pattern matches right?

Conrad Jacobson right, so in your LV's you don't like struct pattern match, unless you want to match on %{__struct__: ....} instead of %MyResource{}....

Steve Frank Like “change fn changeset, … ->” these are an anon? Those are bad

James Harton yes

Conrad Jacobson I've got a few anonymous functions in there, luckily no compile time issues, but yeah, I thought they were kosher

Steve Frank It’s too flexible and powerful! 😂

Conrad Jacobson on the thing of Credo checks, I think that would be a wonderful idea, kind of an ash best practices thing

Conrad Jacobson LLM's generally don't have a clue, they have improved (ie recent sonnet), but still, they hallucinate alot

Bryan Bryce Cursor allows ingesting docs

Conrad Jacobson this might be cool with MCP long term, and linking in to something that Zach has done with the elixir-sense

Conrad Jacobson if using openai - you can use an assistant and upload the docs there - it's RAG is generally pretty ok

Bryan Bryce Yes, I've done it, it helps a lot

Bryan Bryce Still hallucinates

Bryan Bryce I've been writing my own rules for it and that helps too

Bryan Bryce See .cursorrules

Cryptalux Is there any guidance on moving an existing large app to Ash? Can Ash be added incrementally? would this be per route or some other strategy?

03juan Hi team. Congrats on the book, just got mine. 😃

Cryptalux 🙂

Bryan Bryce Is there a way to --help or something on code interface functions to see documented params?

Mike Hughes I added it to an existing project recently

James Harton @Bryan Bryce in iex you can do `h MyResource.actionfun`

Cryptalux great, thanks

Bryan Bryce @James Harton 👀

Mike Hughes speaking of which, thanks to all of you for your help in the chat.

Bryan Bryce I give the documentation page on how to write the igniter command to Sonnet and have it write the command for me 😀

Bryan Bryce WHAT!? Sweet!

Allen Wyma I like that you're announcing new features. the recent order_is_key looks useful for me, but the current doc i found isn't so clear for me

Bryan Bryce I need that to give the context to the LLMs

Allen Wyma Do I need to use an integer field and it will automatically write the field for me?

03juan My need to rewrite with Ash would be for getting rid of gnarly rbac code that `can` support new features and refactors. Looking forward to start tackling that beast soon

Allen Wyma should i also include a unique index on the field to be sure we dont' have double values for the order field? or is that overkill?

Allen Wyma happy to give you more work :)

Bryan Bryce Hooroo

03juan ✌️