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React - the blow up doll of frameworks that ruined an entire industry

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Dillon Mulroy λ The frank gallagher of tech twitch is back

ubinatus spirod1Hi

ALsJourney Hi spiro

ALsJourney Looking good man

Max Cannon Golden age was web tech was introduced, such as, Linux, JS, CSS, PHP & MySQL...We developers were referred to as"Webmasters", because we had no teams, a single person ran the entire stack including UI/UX...It was simplicity over complexity...

Owencodes hi dad spirod1HiFive

Owencodes LUL

Quadrinomical oH nO wE wEnT fRaMeWoRkLeSs

Owencodes ew django LUL

Quadrinomical let this be a warning to you all - you'll have JS fatigue too when you're the ripe old age of 40

Quadrinomical moar zeus

Max Cannon Spa frameworks were built in the name of speed...we now have fast machines and networks...so why do we need these frameworks? jQuery is no longer needed as we now have browser compatibility and consistency...

six_string_surgeon Doesn't all of this apply to any programming language in general?

Max Cannon what we lost was REAL "RESTful" APIs, now we have endpoint APIs returning JASON...Fake REST...

Quadrinomical to be fair it was a miniature pig and it was kinda cute at the time

Quadrinomical now it weighs 700 lbs

del_cx Spiro is reading us a bedtime story about enshittification

ubinatus i'll add to that bullet list "no self-host"

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Quadrinomical @del_cx always the best

Lafolie_ Silo?

Lafolie_ That by extension means no package managers

Lafolie_ Cook by numbers

Quadrinomical @Lafolie_ ratio

ZgredFred1 can you turn dark mode?

genXdev I totally agree; I write hybrid or pwa apps using TypeScript and solid design principles. React allows me a pretty clean way to do component based development on top of that.

dmmulroy imagine not using dark reader

ubinatus Alt+Shift+D

dmmulroy alt shift deez nuts

Quadrinomical to be fair, XKCD also supported parentheses...

Lafolie_ Verbloaten

Quadrinomical make sure your darkreader has NO illuminati framework

Lafolie_ SWEET RELIEF

badcop_ react is good, actually

ubinatus alt shift d is actually for dark reader extension

Lafolie_ Congrats @dmmulroy !

badcop_ what's wrong with react

dmmulroy wait what are we congrats

genXdev So much time is wasted learning some frameworks 'easier' way and then later on, still having to learn their internals (hard stuff) just to be able to make stuff efficient. Total waste of time that keep new devs from having more time to learn the more important stuff, like standards and best architectural practices.

Lafolie_ it's literally every stream lol

dmmulroy but thank you haha

badcop_ i knew it, he cant think of a single thing

badcop_ Kappa

dmmulroy oh yeah thank you!

badcop_ surprised he didnt get engaged to effect TS

dmmulroy they turned me down

badcop_ rofl

Lafolie_ brbrbrb

badcop_ @dmmulroy i msg u on twitter

Quadrinomical did you just call us smart?\

Quadrinomical phew

del_cx all you need is Adobe Dreamweaver anyway

genXdev Just use word, and safe to html.

Quadrinomical coffee for digestive and liver health

Rei Ayanami Hi how are you doing?

elcob32 Sorting coffee is easy. Grouping it by size then sorting it by color is hard.

Mohaidaracherif hi

badcop_ do you hate JSX too or just react

badcop_ i like JSX

Quadrinomical @elcob32 merely a loop function. ezpz

Rei Ayanami Do you ever been to japan?

ChiefMultiHat Had to upgrade enterprise react app from 2018 to 2024. Also, the backend had to go from core 3 to 6 (then go to 8 once regression)... I hate react.

dmmulroy when i was pledge in my fraternity i got locked in a room with metallica full blast on repeat and bags of sprinkles dumped on the floor and had to sort them by color for 24 hours. best sorting of my life

badcop_ booo downvote

badcop_ JSX is very nice

dmmulroy and strobe lights

dmmulroy forgot the most important part

badcop_ lmao wtf u talking about

badcop_ jsx is sugar

Quadrinomical @dmmulroy were you imprisoned by the bush administration?

badcop_ i did react professionally for 2 years btw

badcop_ kuvimaNKeking

dmmulroy I'm going into my 10th year of writing React profressionaly

Quadrinomical oh, i'm sorry

Rei Ayanami Do you suggest 4chan for talking about programming or should I stick to Reddit?

dmmulroy eh, I have mixed feelings about where it's at right now, but I think React is good actually.

genXdev I don't use create react app and have my own powershell build scripts under vscode, I feel like I'm the only one in the world.

Moldy Apple what is this place??? what are you using to blow up the doll

Lafolie_ imagine that

Lafolie_ "You can't use linux to write an OS"

Quadrinomical sounds like you're catching a srs cold

genXdev but is that clause about 'you can not do any commercial activity that contradicts Facebook's activities' removed in the latest version?

dmmulroy lmao Gee air mo

dmmulroy dats my boss

Quadrinomical @dmmulroy thank you. i couldn't type from the cringe

dmmulroy LUL

Quadrinomical oh thank god that was much better

Justin Henley Keep up the good work, champ! 👻

badcop_ just cache it

Quadrinomical didn't we just watch how seconds = loss?

Quadrinomical 3 whole seconds?

Quadrinomical the entire future needs to be coded in shaders

ryanwinchesterTV i have an interactive, real-time web application and no package.json or node_modules

badcop_ @ryanwinchesterTV same

ryanwinchesterTV @badcop_ mine costs $1k per month

ryanwinchesterTV per user

badcop_ mine is $5

ryanwinchesterTV i mean they pay that much

badcop_ oh

ryanwinchesterTV the cost is $30/mo

badcop_ i pay the $5

badcop_ @ryanwinchesterTV ill take 10

ryanwinchesterTV @badcop_ https://addigence.com it's starting super early invite-only access sometime next month

ryanwinchesterTV 'sup

ryanwinchesterTV @SpirodonFL go over this one https://dev.to/danielbergholz/from-nextjs-to-rails-then-elixir-my-journey-through-reactjs-burnout-h8d

Lafolie_ Prime spotted

Lafolie_ @ryanwinchesterTV Not that you asked, but I can't read the text in the footer

Quadrinomical too much railing

ryanwinchesterTV @Lafolie_ the landing page isn't my thing. i'm working on the application

Lafolie_ Ah okay. It loaded super fast!

ryanwinchesterTV @Lafolie_ it should be static HTML or I'll make it my thing and redo it that way

Quadrinomical DONT DO IT

Quadrinomical RIP laravel

badcop_ its based

badcop_ it looks like php 5 which was the best php

dmmulroy What do you think is happening here @SpirodonFL

Lafolie_ Thomas the Tank Engine

dmmulroy "use server" is a terrible name

dmmulroy it should be "use rpc"

nate_codes the year is 2024 and everything is rpc

ubinatus "use bash"

dmmulroy I can tell you that's not true at all

Lafolie_ Since I don't do webdev, I'm lost at this point

ryanwinchesterTV a bit of FUD

nate_codes that take also completely robs the meta employees of agency…what they aren’t allowed to go elsewhere to work on tech they think will be ground breaking?

nate_codes they’re bound to stay at meta so as to not sully the core team with *other* corpa interests?

KaleCotrell_ hey.

nate_codes I mean that’s what Dan A basically did lol, went to make RN app code at bsky

nate_codes I am doing well! good to see ya Spiro :)

KaleCotrell_ been good, im playing around with x86 assembly..

nate_codes Adam

ryanwinchesterTV it's highlighting that he's new and giving tech influencers too much sway in which direction he goes

ryanwinchesterTV adamdotdev

Quadrinomical led astray, here?!?!?!

ubinatus as dan says, "tech entertainers"

KaleCotrell_ DANG

dmmulroy this author as a lot of strong opinions on technical matters the have about 0 depth in

ryanwinchesterTV tbh the -> everywhere kinda sucks in PHP

KaleCotrell_ try lisp then youll really love parentheses

KaleCotrell_ lol

nate_codes the e goes before the L not before the Y sir o7

genXdev greetings cmdr

genXdev o7

nate_codes few = 3-7

dmmulroy what if we were in a polycule

Lafolie_ mulroy, are you in a "polycule"?

ryanwinchesterTV dillon and justine is 5

Lafolie_ lol snap

Quadrinomical a couple of beers quickly becomes 36

KaleCotrell_ XD

dmmulroy KEKW

nate_codes decouple = ten

nate_codes decacouple?

genXdev Typescript ide enhancements due to a type system, is more then anything todo with skills.

jcole163 here to say absolutely not. I refuse to share Dil

Quadrinomical disclaimer: this young man referring to "X" actually means "Twitter"

Moldy Apple what ink do you use when you write code

jcole163 😡

jcole163 thank you Ryan

jcole163 who hurt you

Quadrinomical @nate_codes 10*2?

ryanwinchesterTV I win by forfeit

Quadrinomical rvice wins, truly

ryanwinchesterTV bbl need to put kids to bed

ryanwinchesterTV !lurk

SpirodonFL ryanwinchesterTV is here to kick back and relax! Leave them alone…

dmmulroy brazilian butt lift?

KaleCotrell_ @dmmulroy HUH?

dmmulroy ryanwinchester has a bbl

jcole163 bbl = Brazilian butt lift

KaleCotrell_ Oh XD

Quadrinomical agile breeds react

vishal myla REact + Go

Quadrinomical wow, okay spiro

Quadrinomical ADS

Quadrinomical i like my coffee like i like my frameworks. empty.

six_string_surgeon With Vanilla?

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Lafolie_ wtf is threads

Quadrinomical @Lafolie_ nobody knows

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