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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

Spiro Floropoulos

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TheIbraDev Hello there cutie

PureAmbrosia A wild Spiro appeared!

akavenge long time no see young man

TheIbraDev Happy react 19!

TheIbraDev sorry don’t ban me

PureAmbrosia You can watch people LinkedIn?

TheIbraDev Hahaha YES

Rei Ayanami hi how your professional life going?

PureAmbrosia LUL

TheIbraDev How are you allowed to stream to Linkedin with these opinions on React? It’s one big react fest

TheIbraDev Thought they banned dissent

TheIbraDev You have their moms on call. unbannable

Imperious heys back!!!!

Imperious hes*

TheIbraDev nice

Imperious Hope the job outlook is positive

Imperious your evil sister is being to busy it's annoying me

TheIbraDev nice argument bro

black_arrow88ehhh wsp man

Imperious seems legit I don't wanna think lol

TheIbraDev I get alot of flame in Svelte community for saying that this is a bad thing after svelte5 LUL

elcob32 I wish I was able to be as dumb as everyone else. That just never worked for me.

TheIbraDev Being dumb is a blessing in modern webdev LUL @elcob32

Moldy Apple oh wow its Spiro

elcob32 I still write all my own JS. No frameworks no typescript, just straight ECMA. Keeps what I am distributing to clients as minimum as possible

TheIbraDev Complicating complicated stuff is actually hard. SurprisedPikachu

elcob32 He hit the wall so hard he bounced off at 180 degrees

JoDim___ look who’s back, are we bullying react?

Imperious Once again youtube gets no love were ignored lol

Marco Siedentopf yoo

Marco Siedentopf it's been a while

Marco Siedentopf we should just put react into the browser spec.

TheIbraDev Not anymore :p

JoDim___ 100% true and I can confirm because it’s exactly what happening past month to me

TheIbraDev This is what i felt for a svelte project at work lmao

TheIbraDev svelte 4 got good, and then svelte 5 ruined everything for no pragmatic gain at all.

JoDim___ yep

Marco Siedentopf Polymer 1+2 and BowerJS were right all the time

Marco Siedentopf I'm actually serious

Marco Siedentopf the polymer+bower part was serious...

SneakyFoxtrot You're Canadian?

SneakyFoxtrot Unfollowed

elcob32 Probably Crocodile

elcob32 I wouldn't recommend it though

TheIbraDev I’m Norwegian. We don’t talk to people irl

TheIbraDev Just use a library lmao

TheIbraDev Got a drugproblem? here take this other drug

Marco Siedentopf polymer for being html-centric, and Bower for being browser centric, web native - from loading behavior to modularization. Polymer could even be used tool-less.

TheIbraDev harder drug

Marco Siedentopf now i want the signals proposal to go through, and https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/blob/gh-pages/proposals/Declarative-Custom-Elements-Strawman.md

Marco Siedentopf the declarative custom elements spec is what i REALLY can't live without

JoDim___ lol, where is my library in htmx to make a button?

TheIbraDev kill not murder : DDD

Vampire Frog N

Vampire Frog wheel reinvention clown show

zcizzorhandz DOM has never been slow it's a lie

zcizzorhandz VDOM is just code to make people feel clever it doesn't actually solve any problems with the DOM

JoDim___ “we will kill all the good developers so we will be the good developers”

zcizzorhandz To be honest there are no problems with the DOM. Rendering problems are due to the CSSOM which nobody ever speaks about.

Vampire Frog I don't think anyone claimed that vanilla js and css is slow, unless they meant slow development

Marco Siedentopf i can just double down ^

Marco Siedentopf declaratively augmenting html is the way to go imo

Marco Siedentopf you'd like it, too, i believe

Vampire Frog gotcha

TheIbraDev wait what

TheIbraDev no way

TheIbraDev I’m just shooketh that it’s this bad

Vampire Frog yeah the SSR stuff is kinda wacky, reactive js is useful for admin sections, not front page stuff

TheIbraDev React

Marco Siedentopf yoo, it swallows links. i was sharing a link to the WebComponents working group proposals

TheIbraDev like crud stuff?

Vampire Frog admins don't need the pages to be indexed

Vampire Frog yeah crud stuff

Vampire Frog have you tried interviewing coders?

Ahnzh sharing it here then, i guess: https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/blob/gh-pages/proposals/Declarative-Custom-Elements-Strawman.md

Vampire Frog no I mean interviewing for your streams

Vampire Frog maybe a call in show like jimbob does

Vampire Frog yeah I'm up, but you gotta pick a topic

Marco Siedentopf the instantiation part is the important one. you instantiate the template before upgrading, enabling you to essentially do basic server side rendering for web components.

Marco Siedentopf you could limit your js parts to interactivity

Marco Siedentopf right. you can do both together

Marco Siedentopf it's synergetic

Vampire Frog maybe it's good to do a random call in show to begin with and when viewership rises you can do structured interviews

TravisVroman How is the game going?

TravisVroman And how long till you rewrite it in C? LUL

TravisVroman Also strange, my first message didn't show

TheIbraDev I struggle talking english but it would be cool to listen to

TravisVroman Yeah no worries at all. Take your time

TravisVroman Stubborn as an old goat maybe LUL

TheIbraDev Sounds like this Travis guy should be followed

TravisVroman We could do that.

Vampire Frog okay calm down

DrLethal_The_Dragon Ever hear of one of the first indie games?

TravisVroman @TheIbraDev <3 much appreciated

TravisVroman Thank you Spiro, I appreciate that

DrLethal_The_Dragon It's called funny pizza land

DrLethal_The_Dragon It was made back in 2002

DrLethal_The_Dragon I'm not lol

DrLethal_The_Dragon It's just a cool piece of history

TravisVroman As long as it's not that "pizza dude" game... lol

DrLethal_The_Dragon Pizza dude game?

TravisVroman I C what you have done there

TravisVroman LUL

TravisVroman Oh snap

elcob32 That looks like real code

TravisVroman handles ftw

DrLethal_The_Dragon Performance issue... From looking at code?

TheIbraDev I stayed awake just for this rant. It’s 01:40am now GriddyGoose

TravisVroman It's a thing of beauty

TheIbraDev cya bedtime

Marco Siedentopf also, Karl released his Odin book.

Vampire Frog doesn't look thread safe

TheIbraDev before i go, that code smells nice

DrLethal_The_Dragon I'm going to try and learn coding. So I can become a game dev

TravisVroman I don't think that's an issue unless you're using webworkers or something

TravisVroman Although I wouldn't use statics

Vampire Frog well if it's wasm you're probably not using multiple threas anyway

TravisVroman Well I guess for wasm it's not as big a deal, but statics also get in the way of things like hot-reloading. Thread safety too, but we've already said that's not an issue here

Vampire Frog why didn't you use structs for npcs

Vampire Frog I don't know if with web workers you have access to the same wasm

TravisVroman Then again though, I dole out all my memory from a custom allocator, so that's another reason I don't do it (because game state for me exists in a BigAss Block of Memory™

TravisVroman All you gotta do now is change back to vim :)

Vampire Frog sounds like early optimization

TravisVroman Yeah. I would just say minimally to pipe it through a macro that you could then replace with calls to a custom allocator if that ever becomes an issue so you don't have to change your entire codebase

Vampire Frog you're overlapping two arguments, one is avoiding the struct overhead and the other one is dynamic allocation

TravisVroman Yes, exactly

Vampire Frog you can still have a big static array of structs

Vampire Frog the benefit would be that it's more readable

Marco Siedentopf React is a backend library

Marco Siedentopf not a frontend library

TravisVroman Depending on what you're doing though, SOA might be more beneficial than AOS for cache line reasons

Vampire Frog I also noticed that you don't use pointers

TravisVroman Yeah, that's the idea - only pull into cache what you need

TravisVroman Lol not trademark of copyright, LUL

TravisVroman *or

TravisVroman lmao it's not fully my idea tho

TravisVroman lol I know what you mean tho

TravisVroman Looking good!

TravisVroman Wait, are you putting _all_ resources into the same array?

TravisVroman Like, all resource types?

TravisVroman oh ok, perfect

TravisVroman I would keep the resource arrays separated

TravisVroman perfect

TravisVroman So I see you're returning 0 - does that mean that none of your resources can have a "handle id" of 0? Meaning the first element of the array never gets used?

TravisVroman Ok, so I would change that. I use something called "invalid id", which for a u32 is really just like MAX_U32. That way the 0 index is actually valid.

TravisVroman Yeah we are, I typed that before you explained it

TravisVroman Yep, because the liklihood that you'd actually have max uint32 is basically zero, so it's an easy way to check if something isn't valid.

TravisVroman yep

TravisVroman I've never even come anywhere close

TravisVroman And if you do, step it up to 64 bit. You'll really never hit that

rosesandbesos Hi

Marco Siedentopf why did you move back to C BTW?

TravisVroman Yeah a string lib is easy to write tho

TravisVroman Feel free to steal any of my functions if you need them

TravisVroman Look for kstring

TravisVroman I have a lot of UTF handling in there too

TravisVroman Admittedly it only handles up to 4-byte UTF-8 characters, so not 5- or 6- byte, but so far that hasn't been an issue

Moldy Apple whoaaa frog man here too

TravisVroman I do have some more work to do to get rid of some things like sprintf, but it's pretty far along

Marco Siedentopf luckily, C is becoming a functional language with the introduction of lambda functions.

TravisVroman Yeah that is weird

TravisVroman I'm cheating there and using vsprintf

TravisVroman But I could be convinced to roll my own

TravisVroman It's been on my list of todos anyway

TravisVroman along with sscanf

TravisVroman etc

TravisVroman I'd actually just implement "vsnprintf" in place in the "string_format" function actually

TravisVroman Eliminating the variadic function bit might be kinda difficult tho - I'd need to look into replacing stdarg

TravisVroman The bit that allows you to do "..." in the function

TravisVroman yep

TravisVroman That's really the reason I haven't done it yet

TravisVroman Admittedly I haven't looked into doing that _at all_ though

TravisVroman How hard could it be? LUL

TravisVroman That's the easy part, but that's gotta be using stdarg somewhere

TravisVroman hence va_list, etc.

TravisVroman yuuuup

TravisVroman I'm not sure, would need to look that up

TravisVroman I think it's implementation specific

TravisVroman If it works, let me know

TravisVroman Honestly for f32_to_string I'd probably just implement it without something like vsnprintf

TravisVroman Yeah you could

TravisVroman Just use the bits directly

TravisVroman Just when I thought my refactor list was shrinking, you've made me want to eliminate all the standard lib stuff from my codebase LUL

TravisVroman Nah it's pretty straightforward logically

TravisVroman This is where comments come in handy LUL

TravisVroman percent escape basically

TravisVroman The standard lib isn't bad, it's just huge

TravisVroman That's technically an extension

TravisVroman you could just memset 0 if you need to

TravisVroman I mean, if you null terminate the result it doesn't matter anyway

TravisVroman That's where I'd change to just doing the conversion inline instead of using the "format"

TravisVroman I would handle both 32 and 64 under "f", that's what the standard does

TravisVroman Can you feature-detect that somehow?

TravisVroman I'm adding these things to my todo list... lol

TravisVroman ./sigh... I'm adding these things to my todo list... lol

TravisVroman They should be able to name it 愚かな船 if they want to

TravisVroman Although, if you don't care about decoding it within wasm ever, you could just pass it through as as byte array

TravisVroman If you don't need to encode/decode, then just use a byte array

badcop_ i dont know what we're talking about but you actually need 2 floats

TravisVroman I'm talking about strings, for therecord

TravisVroman @badcop_ o/

badcop_ just kidding floats should be removed from computers

badcop_ @TravisVroman rincsFiveth

TravisVroman 0.1 + 0.2 is my favourite float example of float bananery

badcop_ mine is -0.0

TravisVroman @badcop_ Also a favourite of mine LUL

badcop_ woah bro's looking at the mantissas on stream

badcop_ was not ready for that

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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

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Spiro Floropoulos

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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

Spiro Floropoulos

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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

Spiro Floropoulos

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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

Spiro Floropoulos

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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

Spiro Floropoulos

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Vanilla C/WASM/HTML/JS/CSS(3D)/DOM - Indie Game Dev

Spiro Floropoulos

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