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spikespaz Yahoyhoy

spikespaz Desperately don't want to work today. So much has been going on and my mentee is always a struggle.

spikespaz San Francisco for opensauce, then a tumultuous family vacation to our cabin, then a visit with my high temper German mother, a friend back from Australia who wants to visit, a video conference with a company in San Francisco, then flying out to Missouri before my sister has her next kid. And today, I'm going to lose time talking about nothing but Roblox and Minecraft.

injust90 Hey what's up

spikespaz It sucks because I'm being paid to talk about imperative programming and general computer science principles, but instead we are going to talk about the same thing we talk about every session.

spikespaz About Vic's modern warfare having too many bugs, yada yada

spikespaz I tell my student that his complaining goes nowhere, and waste his parents money. He doesn't give a shit. Anyway what you said, bingo

spikespaz That's the majority of college graduates from 2018-2021, I know many of them. And the autodidacts can't get jobs, and the industry favors Theseus' Ship languages and tooling. Because they're easy to train those six-figure chasers.

spikespaz Easy! You hire young people from OSS contributions. Take chances on young whippersnappers who may not have a degree.

shreyassanthu Hello mr jobless how are you doing

spikespaz So what's the story behind getting fired for HTMX?

shreyassanthu I am good

shreyassanthu yeah can we get a public record of you stating that you were fired because of htmx ?

Marco Siedentopf yow, how are you doing

shreyassanthu who said that ?

Rei Ayanami whats your iq?

spikespaz Let's strategize how we can forcefully undermine React infrastructure

Rei Ayanami i got 105 in a test is too low in your opinion to be a developer?

Rei Ayanami i build the back end and the front end of a ecommerce for fun, it was pretty fun

spikespaz Reminder that WAISC-V specifies many categories of intelligence, and the old idea of a chronological quotient of age is no longer considered an accurate measurement. When people talk about "IQ" as a single number, they are simply misinformed.

shreyassanthu So what are we doing today??

Rei Ayanami anyway how is the job hunting going?

shreyassanthu What meeting? You're unemployed??

shreyassanthu no ?

PureAmbrosia I find EQ way more interesting than IQ.

shreyassanthu Nice

spikespaz They are no longer separate.

shreyassanthu EQ is not a real concrete thing either

shreyassanthu There are a lot of things that come under the intelligence umbrella

spikespaz ^

Rei Ayanami are you on windows or linux?

PureAmbrosia I hope EQ does becomes more of a concrete thing.

hungryhungryhippo SWITCH

shreyassanthu @pureambrosia lol 🤣 that's what they said about iq

hungryhungryhippo I'm on a Mac just because it's not windows

pandakenji94 Hey!! How's it going?! :)

spikespaz Use pop OS, I think it's a decent gateway drug. I ended up transitioning to Nix I stopped to distro hopping 16 times

shreyassanthu EQ is just super broad to quantify

PureAmbrosia I mean more fleshed out. Not some measurement to use ridiculously.

pandakenji94 Going good man! :)

shreyassanthu just eat brush teth and sleep???

hungryhungryhippo Sounds like my todo list

shreyassanthu Definitely better than my writing

Rei Ayanami when i was in elementary school the nun beat me because i was bad at writing

spikespaz I find it super hard to have good handwriting with a stylus and "paper feel" screen protector. I have the original Box Note Air.

spikespaz Boox

Rei Ayanami do you have italian roots?

shreyassanthu I have remarkable 2 and it's fking awesome

shreyassanthu Communism mentioned

hungryhungryhippo I have pen and paper cause I'm poor

Rei Ayanami you look really italian

spikespaz Boox also doesn't open source their modifications to Android

shreyassanthu I can't relate to you guys I'm sorry

shreyassanthu I am just too rich ig

spikespaz I bought it because they promised on Reddit that they would release an SDK for app developers to make things use the live refresh feature. They didn't.

shreyassanthu Oh btw I forgot to tell you I am rolling my own android

shreyassanthu I can cloning the aosp repo rn

shreyassanthu I have a solution but you seemike you're not interested in nvim

spikespaz Don't be like my student, shreyas 😡

hungryhungryhippo I never had any luck with nvim and ssh

shreyassanthu But you complain about plugins crashing all the time

shreyassanthu I thought you didn't like nvim

spikespaz I've I yet mentioned our Lord and Savior Kakoune editor? Also zed is shaping up nicely. Lapce is a toy.

hungryhungryhippo I kinda like vscode just cause it works so well with ssh and wsl when I have to use them. Though I usually love jetbrains (except their WSL integration is crap)

shreyassanthu because you set it up wrong but anyway I digress

Rei Ayanami is normal to look alot to internet when coding as a beegigner?

hungryhungryhippo I liked nvim until I started doing .net stuff and it just wasn't good compared to Rider

shreyassanthu Nah

shreyassanthu You don't really look up stuff on the internet as much Spiro don't lie

hungryhungryhippo It has support for it but I could never get it to work that well

shreyassanthu nooo! A junior does waaay more googling than you do

hungryhungryhippo I didn't have patience to mess with it lol

shreyassanthu not maybe it is true

shreyassanthu 10 and 10000 are above 0 but not even close

shreyassanthu do you keep forgetting how to call a function all the time?

hungryhungryhippo junior level googling is shit like... googling for loop syntax or something basic lmao

spikespaz The amount of googling you do increases as the number of tools you use also increases. As your skill level goes up, the wider the berth of your research.

shreyassanthu do you just Juniors do that a lot

shreyassanthu *no do 8there

Owencodes hide ur <moms> LUL LUL LUL

shreyassanthu @spikespaz kinda

shreyassanthu the kind of stuff you look up is very different

spikespaz If you're stagnant and working with only what you're proficient at already, sure you'd Google less

spikespaz Also when I say Google I mean to include reading the docs. Like, a Google straight to the docs page is still considered a Google.

hungryhungryhippo I would think it's probably the same amount, just different topics

shreyassanthu okay but when wa the last time you looked up the syntax of a programming language

Owencodes yes dad lol

shreyassanthu You can sit for like 4 hours and just be in the zone and not look up anything

shreyassanthu Most juniors can't

shreyassanthu yes there we go

shreyassanthu It's okay and you get better

spikespaz If you stop looking things up, it means you stop learning, and that's bad

RajarshiKhatua100 and me trying to decide which search engine to use

shreyassanthu @spikespaz ehhhhh maybe

shreyassanthu @rajarshikhatua100 use gpt

shreyassanthu jk don't

shreyassanthu Okay man I have to go bye

shreyassanthu take care good luck with the interviews

RajarshiKhatua100 @shreyassanthu I self host my ai, that is based on my transformer architectural

shreyassanthu @rajarshikhatua100 niceeeee

ghostm4gic hey Spiro, hope you doing well

RajarshiKhatua100 do you know what is SMS and what is the full form?

RajarshiKhatua100 nope

RajarshiKhatua100 it's School Management System

RajarshiKhatua100 https://insights.fuseclassroom.com/what-is-a-school-management-system-sms-fuse-classroom/

RajarshiKhatua100 i found out last hour

RajarshiKhatua100 lol

hectorjeam I CODE IN JAIL YOU LITTLE BITCH

RajarshiKhatua100 it's so cool, private tutions also can use this

RajarshiKhatua100 probably police and military also uses since kind of these software

RajarshiKhatua100 *this kind

hectorjeam I am! Good to see you too

RajarshiKhatua100 imagine who is coding them, and a stack overflow happened when firing the missile

hectorjeam you're switching the game to C, right?

olavostauros good day spiro

olavostauros what's up with the camera angle?

RajarshiKhatua100 my question is, did you tested the game in firefox?

RajarshiKhatua100 @olavostauros the camera is not autonomous, camera's problem

voochesq sup

voochesq just chilling on my break from work. checking what my fellow programer boys are doing on twitch

voochesq golang dev

hicaro____ Heeey

voochesq from time to time. but teej is my fav

hicaro____ How we all doing?

hicaro____ I am doing great

RajarshiKhatua100 golang is for 14 and 70 years old at the same time

RajarshiKhatua100 does webassembly supports hott reloading?

TheIbraDev yo bruh

spikespaz Off to work, good to catch you for once! Have a good one

TheIbraDev Grrreat, spending some time learning more go

TheIbraDev been very enjoyable so far

TheIbraDev It’s simple in a way that it’s actually simple. Not like JS which only seems simple at first

RajarshiKhatua100 go is all about speed but also not about speed (get it?)

harvyyyy hi guys

harvyyyy the coding content xd

RajarshiKhatua100 rust compiler vs go compiler, go speed vs rust speed

RajarshiKhatua100 we do html (pronounced -hitmal)

harvyyyy i am currently doing an internship and i'm working with asp.net core

TheIbraDev hitmalx

TheIbraDev hitmax

RajarshiKhatua100 what the difference between asp.net and asp.net core

harvyyyy I am finding it pretty cool although frontend is not my biggest passion

RajarshiKhatua100 one is for windows only one is for everyone i think

TheIbraDev He might of found the community

harvyyyy i guess backend challenges me more

spikespaz Both are squishy

RajarshiKhatua100 is quantum computing frontend or backend

harvyyyy xddddd

RajarshiKhatua100 @harvyyyy try hacking NSA

spikespaz Not the answer you expected because instead of hatred for frontend, it was positive affluence for the other

TheIbraDev (we have to much skill issues going on for react)

harvyyyy @RajarshiKhatua100 a challenge for tomorrow

Justin Henley ☝ Don't talk to anime girls. 👻

JoDim___ we were all expecting: because fuck react

JoDim___ good, how about you guys?

PureAmbrosia I guess I am the odd one out... I like frontend and wherever integrations land.

RajarshiKhatua100 @harvyyyy let's gooo, don't forget me to share the linux kernel vulnerability before announcing it

TheIbraDev Frontend is ok, as long as you don’t use js for everything imo

TheIbraDev htmx if pleasant

harvyyyy @RajarshiKhatua100 sure thing

PureAmbrosia Yay for being odd. Anything but normal.

hungryhungryhippo Unfortunately frontend is usually shove js into everything :(

hungryhungryhippo No

hungryhungryhippo Get that crap out of here

RajarshiKhatua100 frontend is ok, if you not believe in humanity

hungryhungryhippo frontend is great if you like being depressed

soupy333 1 language improves speed of product development. less cognitive load and context switching for devs. im a convert

TheIbraDev mods are gone, install node

RajarshiKhatua100 @soupy333 so is taking responsibility for user's cognitive load, gotteemm

RajarshiKhatua100 *who is

hungryhungryhippo He's losing it

RajarshiKhatua100 he really does talk to himself, i wish AI's could do it so they will not disappoint us

RajarshiKhatua100 3d

RajarshiKhatua100 4d

RajarshiKhatua100 1d

TheIbraDev He didn’t ban me for installing node doe

TheIbraDev not sure

hungryhungryhippo They abandoned us

RajarshiKhatua100 !ban node

RajarshiKhatua100 is adding <li> to a page, more simple with javascript or webassembly

RajarshiKhatua100 so everyone language has to use the jit, then why it's faster?

RajarshiKhatua100 it's can do computation lat faster but dom is faster in js

RajarshiKhatua100 hmm, the world world be very different ( in Greta Thunberg's voice)

RajarshiKhatua100 ben shapiro trying to convince me why trump is good, me on the other hand sees everyone saying the prime minister mother-f***** in perlament in live stream. daily dose of politics

RajarshiKhatua100 *indian prime minister

RajarshiKhatua100 retro website. that's what i am into

KaleCotrell_ Hi

KaleCotrell_ Im doing alright, back to game dev?

hectorjeam supermaven is better than copilot

KaleCotrell_ I think functional programming is one of my favorite paradigms now lol

mytec23 what's up you playing sim city?

ghostm4gic functional programming? eeww

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic lol

TheIbraDev what even is oop

TheIbraDev nobody knows

RajarshiKhatua100 @hectorjeam try https://aistudio.google.com/ and select the 1.5 pro model in the side

TheIbraDev what even is functional programming?!

KaleCotrell_ Personally I like both paradigms. or whatever tool works. But I for some reason cant get into stack oriented languages like forth

RajarshiKhatua100 oop -> poop

mytec23 does this app make use of directx 12?

mytec23 I doubt it

ghostm4gic functional programming = no variables

mytec23 doing fine

KaleCotrell_ TRY array oriented paradigm languages... if you think functional is bad TRY ARRAY ORIENTED LANGUAGES lol. tbh I like array ones like APL

mytec23 how about you find a gjob?

ghostm4gic you could learn react in a week

ghostm4gic yes

ghostm4gic the rest later

KaleCotrell_ My favorite array language is J. its easier to learn than apl

ghostm4gic where do you use those languages Kale?

KaleCotrell_ Yea

empty code im trying to get into back end development this summer , but I can't choose between go or js or C#. personally i feel more comfortable with go , but im just changing my mind every few hours

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic Experimental. I like to see what I can make. but honestly I use procedural and imperative mostly.

empty code yeah makes sense

hungryhungryhippo C# would have a lot more batteries included since it seems like the golang community is more "build it yourself"

empty code there is also a very very good beginner book for golang , its called "let's go". i just couldn't find any beginner book for C#

TheIbraDev Go is pleasant, and the documentation has never disappointed me

TheIbraDev Has nice books also

hungryhungryhippo And if you're trying to get your foot in the door, I've seen more .NET jobs but I guess that depends on where you're located

TheIbraDev @hungryhungryhippo for the last year 75% of jobs listed here mention .net

TheIbraDev although i think it’s just something recruiters just slap on the application

empty code rather than fundamentals which i needed as a beginner

ghostm4gic 75% is unreal

ghostm4gic it might be 7% which is already high

TheIbraDev There’s a shitton id governmental and hospital dev jobs

empty code so yeah i guess im gonna stick to something as simple as go for learning the fundamentals

empty code then i can switch to other languages/frameworks if needed

empty code yeah C# jobs are just a lot here

KaleCotrell_ Java was my first language. LOL

TheIbraDev Our gov has spent 50 million dollars on a failed Medical app LUL

KaleCotrell_ I dont use it anymore XD

hungryhungryhippo Golang felt more fun to write, but I'm lazy so I used .net cause more out of the box functionality

TheIbraDev It’s just for our region btw

empty code thanks a lot man

TheIbraDev like 1 million people live here

hungryhungryhippo @KaleCotrell_ You have my condolences

KaleCotrell_ @hungryhungryhippo XD

mytec23 you ever watch that other YouTuber that works at netflicks and talks about coding?

KaleCotrell_ Yea who likes to type... "public static void" OVER AND OVER...

hungryhungryhippo My first language was turbo basic

Owencodes ur mom worked at netflix gottem LUL

KaleCotrell_ @hungryhungryhippo Awesome

TheIbraDev The ex Netflix guy likes Go also

mytec23 he has a gay pron stash

Owencodes omg noo dad I worked too hard for this

Owencodes lol

empty code have u watched the new 10x developer video ?

KaleCotrell_ @hungryhungryhippo S+ tier language basic is tbh

empty code it was funny even though i didn't understand like 50% of what was going on lol

KaleCotrell_ Surprisingly basic is a good language like FreeBasic is. Ive used that

TheIbraDev From bigbox?

ghostm4gic for beginners yes

hungryhungryhippo @KaleCotrell_ It was nice, back when there wasn't a million languages and frameworks. 'Twas simple times.

KaleCotrell_ @hungryhungryhippo Yeah

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic and yes for beginners lol

hungryhungryhippo Go also has stuff like Charm for making TUI apps

hungryhungryhippo Haven't seen anything as nice yet for other languages

ghostm4gic the best thing: almost every computer was coming with basic, so every kid has it at home and could pick up easily and write for if print

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic yes

hectorjeam I'm using charm rn

mytec23 the youtber I meant is "theprime"

hungryhungryhippo @ghostm4gic And you didn't have google or youtube with tutorials, you had to read books and figure it out yourself

hungryhungryhippo Imagine not being subbed

empty code gotta go , thanks for stream and good night everyone

KaleCotrell_ Zigs a great C alternative

KaleCotrell_ Rust and D are great C++ alternatives.

hectorjeam you probably shouldn't use C in production, and I stand by that

ghostm4gic now you have shitload of languages, all hard to install, all with shitton of libraries, not sure if you can learn easier now

KaleCotrell_ I like C but after seeing many vulnerabilities. Unless youre a GOD at making safe C code. I agree with Hungry

KaleCotrell_ heckor*

KaleCotrell_ Not hungry

hectorjeam I get the argument that we should use JavaScript less on the server side, but replacing node with C is a bad idea

hungryhungryhippo @KaleCotrell_ kinda the same here. I like C but I don't trust other people with C lol

KaleCotrell_ @hungryhungryhippo Oh okay

hungryhungryhippo I think we should just embrace existing tech, like php and ruby. People complain about ruby speed, then LETS FIX IT. Stop jumping ship once an issue pops up

hectorjeam There's Go, Rust, Phoenix, PHP, etc. Don't use C directly on the server

hectorjeam not phoenix, elixir lol

TheIbraDev Rust is nice, until the difficulty explodes exponentially. Although that hasn’t happened to me yet

KaleCotrell_ personally I use D over C and C++ its garbage collected.. but you can turn that GC off if you want. (I dont)

TheIbraDev It’s bedtime soon here cya l8r

hungryhungryhippo Do you think a factor might be there not being enough resources to teach people how to become good programmers? There's a lot of beginner tutorials, videos, etc. But not nearly as much about more advanced topics

ghostm4gic but nobody uses D

TheIbraDev !lurk

SpirodonFL TheIbraDev is here to kick back and relax! Leave them alone…

mytec23 what do u think of lua?

hectorjeam there's no world where the speed you get from raw dogging C is worth it for the vast majority of web apps

KaleCotrell_ Luas awesome

hungryhungryhippo True, can't learn things you don't know about

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic not for production as in a job. but for personal projects.

hungryhungryhippo "By doing a project you're never going to finish" .. so all of my projects lol

KaleCotrell_ I used to hate rust cause its overhyped. But Im starting to like it again.

KaleCotrell_ cause its good

hectorjeam performance good, memory leaks bad

hectorjeam C is not safe for production

ghostm4gic Rust looks overcomplicated

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic lol yeah

RajarshiKhatua100 chat is unforgivably stupid

hectorjeam if you could, but that will never happen, nor should it

KaleCotrell_ There is a thing called Checked-C which makes it a bit safer.

hectorjeam it's unnecessarily hard to write safe C code. Just use something like Go instead

hectorjeam what's your question?

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