Spiro Floropoulos | Algora TV

DX (Developer Experience) is a cult and nobody cares about "your experience"

Spiro Floropoulos

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LaughinPanda This extended intro though.

LaughinPanda 7 ads, good lawd. And yeah, been a while. Gotta build the audience back up.

Moldy Apple have no idea what you are yappin about, but no one cares about anyone's experience except your mom.

Moldy Apple the frogman says you are in imposter

Caravaggio spiro 👋

Caravaggio rubber meets the road?

six_string_surgeon I think Jonathan Blow had a rant along these lines saying that devs today deserve to feel imposter syndrome

lemnean I like this new Spiro

lemnean He is like an enlightened sith lord

Caravaggio is it a symptom of incompetency in the educational/training sphere??

lemnean Yes, harness your anger

lemnean the dependency graph is the root of all evil

lemnean Spiro has been node pilled

lemnean I am proud

Caravaggio you would make a great mentor/educator Spiro 🔥

lemnean We can call this hypothetical product manager 'Kanye'

Moldy Apple 🙄

lemnean KPI count is a good KPI

Caravaggio moldy you sum of a gum 👍 how the heck are you?

Moldy Apple 👌

lemnean A lot of MBA bullshit is just a defense mechanism to make people who are largely superfluous feel less so

lemnean for programmers it is bloated frameworks

lemnean soon you will be comrade Spiro

lemnean o/

lemnean The problem with 'making things easier for junior developers' is it breeds a morass of complexity peddled by self interested framework shills

Caravaggio every crisis is an opportunity 🤔 how do we get rich from this ??

ChiefMultiHat I get impostor syndrome once in a while, but I doubt it's like everyone else's. After 30+ years of software development, seeing old ideas regurgitated as new and so much dead branch knowledge I just have my moments... mainly due to this agile poop as of late..

lemnean I love you cult member spiro <3

lemnean and welcome you to the new anti cult cult with great zeal

lemnean woe betide the man who understands the npm run stack

lemnean The problem is scaling. You need some level of 'sysadmin knowledge' in order to rent the compute to actually run it

lemnean If you are a mom and pop shop selling viral T-Shirts, this isn't really feasible

ChiefMultiHat oof - all those are classes etc in 1 program.

lemnean Written like a true java programmer

lemnean Every uncle bob produces an anti bob 20 years down the line

lemnean I don't think it is even a 'feel good' thing a lot of the time. Every time I fire up a docker container I am filled with revulsion

ChiefMultiHat Have you seen Microsoft Power Automate? Too bad so many enterprise architects just say - learn this process so we all can do it. I say - write a console app to run 10x faster.

lemnean Ok, but the mom and pop shop still needs to understand what 'load' is and that f they want the system to automatically scale up it will cost a pretty penny. You would also need some way to spin up a bunch of machines which would be much less efficient than the shopify model (of which I am not a fan)

Hasen Judi "Load" for most blog-like websites is like 10k concurrent visitors which is not even 100 req/s. Really easy to handle actually.

Hasen Judi Hi

Hasen Judi Thanks

lemnean I agree that a lot about the current models can be simplified (and there are some attempts to do this), but there is a fundamental complexity floor which muggles will probably never cross

lemnean blogs are low hanging fruit

lemnean I agree

lemnean because no one reads them :)

lemnean the bursty cases (virality) are more interesting

Moldy Apple what do you know about speed anyway??

ghostm4gic hi

lemnean sadly I have to watch the ad :(

Hasen Judi xD

Hasen Judi The more you get paid the more responsibility you have to not complain about garbage DX. Like, can you imagine being paid $20k/mo as a consultant and then complain about next.js or docker?

lemnean back

ghostm4gic twitch thinks your viewers are rich if it serves so many ads, thanks twitch :)

lemnean The bursty case doesn't really accommodate that though. You really don't want your server going down after an influx of order because of some viral event over which you have no control.

Hasen Judi "future cash flow"

Hasen Judi Something I also noticed: hiring more developers makes it easier to raise more VC cache

Hasen Judi So as an employee of a VC company, the value you provide to the company is not the work you do per se

Hasen Judi it's the appearance of doing important complicated work

lemnean The flaw with your argument is that the way to eliminate most technical debt also involves eliminating a large number of developers who don't add value

lemnean so the gains accrue to the corporations

lemnean not to their employees doing bullshit work

lemnean a lot of development work exists because developers are just grossly inefficient

phrackery SIR! my good sir! good to see you

phrackery nope

phrackery its better to work on creating a product and going out on your own

Hasen Judi it is

lemnean because my subjective experience yields objective results 😎

lemnean or you could just use go and avoid both problems

lemnean it's like 5 lines bro

phrackery go is where the jobs at right? RIGHT?

lemnean sorry my connection dropped for am inute