Spiro Floropoulos | Algora TV

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Spiro Floropoulos

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TheIbraDev hello there

TheIbraDev that sounded really muffled

loller2456 Hello!

JustNCases FIRST

JustNCases FIRST’NT

loller2456 did you put the mic in a glass of water?

TheIbraDev It's what is sounds like @loller2456

loller2456 it is better now I think

promax1113 こにちわ！

PureAmbrosia Unhinged today?

loller2456 Doing well, melting in the summer heat

TheIbraDev Summer heat isn't that bad in Norway lul

promax1113 @loller2456 temp?

loller2456 chilling in the heat and crashing the european union

loller2456 @promax1113 30-35ish but there is 0 wind

PureAmbrosia Is there a rant or hot take coming in our future?

PureAmbrosia To go with the unhinged.

loller2456 WOOOOW

loller2456 DAMN

PureAmbrosia Ewwwwww rejection letters.

PureAmbrosia spirod1Huh

TheIbraDev DAYUM

loller2456 Jeff still didnt reply btw I dont know what timezone he is in right now

TheIbraDev Fifty!! LFG!

TheIbraDev W

loller2456 @CrimsonxxMana spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hug spirod1Hug spirod1Hug

PureAmbrosia W?

loller2456 I guess so

loller2456 NOOOO

loller2456 WHAT

TheIbraDev CRRRRIMSON

loller2456 @CrimsonxxMana spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts

CrimsonxxMana SeemsGood

TheIbraDev Crimson got a heavy wallet

PureAmbrosia You just need to stream Monday-Friday... keep all of us a little more sane.

loller2456 Absolute legend

loller2456 @TheIbraDev php dev

TheIbraDev @loller2456 aka Lambo devs

PureAmbrosia @crimsonxxmana spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts

loller2456 @TheIbraDev exactly

CrimsonxxMana No probs. Lambos all around.

loller2456 @CrimsonxxMana Thank you very much

gsvolt Yo .. change the title to FUN-employed dude !

gsvolt Remember Spiro .. and chat .. if you're laid off, or leave on your own accord .. you're working on your own time WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT

gsvolt Now you call the shots, and make it count

LaughinPanda Look at this guy. Actually streaming.

CrimsonxxMana I'm doing good, just sharing the love.

gsvolt I finally landed a gig to Maintain an open-source project .. AFTER 9 months of Funemployment (its very expensive being funemployed ofcourse), but if I can get something, anyone can get something is what I'd say

loller2456 @gsvolt Nice congratulations!

gsvolt @loller2456 Thx Loller

gsvolt Say, how'd that game you were working on turn out ? That htmx thingy

gsvolt Also, do you have an ideal gig you're prospecting, add that in the description for front and center outreach with viewers

CrimsonxxMana I'm lucky to have the job I have. Everyone is a lot more qualified here, so you can all do it.

loller2456 @gsvolt He likes moms so its hard to promote

Justin Henley Keep up the good work, champ! 👻

Marco Siedentopf hello!

Marco Siedentopf how are you doing? what are you doing?

gsvolt You're in Greece still ? Or on the mainland ? idk.. for some reason I remembered you had a greece connection

Marco Siedentopf are you using CNC coordinates?

Marco Siedentopf x going right, y going back, z going up?

TheIbraDev Gotta go, have a great stream @SpirodonFL

s9tpepper_ @CrimsonxxMana thanks for the gifted sub for this degenerate streamer ... Kappa

CrimsonxxMana @s9tpepper_ SeemsGood

Invisibleman94 hey, what's up

loller2456 @s9tpepper_ spirod1Hi

Vampire Frog boogers

CrimsonxxMana Time to make a voronoi shader for the water. Kappa

loller2456 @Invisibleman94 spirod1Hi

Axolot2705 damn 100 gifties I missed a big one

Protonmat Pog! You landed a job ? Fricking Nice!!!

loller2456 @Axolot2705 missed the party, but thankfully the after party is still here

Axolot2705 @loller2456 spirod1Dance spirod1Dance spirod1Dance spirod1Dance spirod1Dance

Protonmat Axolot2705 o7

loller2456 @Axolot2705 spirod1Dance spirod1Dance spirod1Dance spirod1HiFive

Protonmat How have you been mr architect

Vampire Frog hey spiro put my chat widget on your screen

vicentedealencar A new framework, I see...

Axolot2705 @Protonmat doing good man thanks busy with tons of work, how are you?

CrimsonxxMana It's the hyphen in Fun-employed, probably. It's misleading. LUL

Axolot2705 @CrimsonxxMana yeah that got me too lol

vicentedealencar Focus on the vision

DojoDrummer Hey SpirodonFL, are you one of the many CEOs of HTMX? You should so you can put that on your resume.

0xmalvee_ what is this platform?

Protonmat @Axolot2705 Doing fine too, stressed but fine KEKW

Axolot2705 link it in chat @SpirodonFL

Axolot2705 @Protonmat good to hear lol

vicentedealencar Table layout ftw

DojoDrummer oh hell yeah

loller2456 preach

0xmalvee_ you made htmx?

0xmalvee_ good, wbu

0xmalvee_ s17nGofuzz

loller2456 lambo incoming

emogiraffe450 i never had enemies, but now I have one and their name is NVIDIA 😡😡😡

loller2456 @emogiraffe450 driver issues?

emogiraffe450 They are torturing me in their driver hell on Linux.

loller2456 hahaha

emogiraffe450 My GPU is a laptop chip from the stone age and the driver is too outdated.

loller2456 @emogiraffe450 time to switch to windows :P

emogiraffe450 @loller2456 i already have windows. I am actually switching to Linux

loller2456 @SpirodonFL Sounds cool, I dont know much about the web tech, but it sounds cool

loller2456 @emogiraffe450 oh, WSL2

loller2456 So will I be able to use it for my personal website to render a grid of whatever I want?

Quadrinomical gosh spiro can you be more succinct?

loller2456 That sounds nice actually. I always hate doing the layout

loller2456 is the grid block big enough to render your mom?

Quadrinomical we should only have ascii based ui

Quadrinomical @loller2456 no, but maybe mine

loller2456 @Quadrinomical only 1 way to find out!

Axolot2705 @loller2456 I dont think we have the technology for that

loller2456 @Axolot2705 perhaps in web 4.0

Quadrinomical @Axolot2705 WHAT

loller2456 yes she was just here

Axolot2705 yeah every night

Quadrinomical my mom bad

loller2456 Oh no this is turning dark very quickly

Axolot2705 don t you use your trauma card on us

Quadrinomical axolot he will if its built into the game

SamaelNidor @Axolot2705 Wanna see my trauma deck

loller2456 @SamaelNidor haha

Axolot2705 Its so good that I am going to greece to see your mom for the whole fall semester

Quadrinomical 2 days until piratejam stop this hate axo, you need to return to a positive energy place

SamaelNidor Hello everyone

loller2456 @SamaelNidor spirod1Hearts Hello how are you doing today

Axolot2705 @Quadrinomical its only for spiros stream

Axolot2705 look at my emotes how I can be toxic

Quadrinomical @Axolot2705 well then i guess your mom is fair game when you start streaming again

SamaelNidor Discovering the amazing zig language and found the channel. What about you ?

Axolot2705 NO

loller2456 @SamaelNidor doing great. If you are into zig this is a great place for you!

Quadrinomical yes

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Amazing thx

Axolot2705 @loller2456 and also if you like mom jokes

Quadrinomical you know what's more consistent than axolot's mom? spiro streaming

loller2456 @Axolot2705 this is a big part of it too yes

Axolot2705 like mother like son spiro

SamaelNidor @Axolot2705 Who doesnt?

LaughinPanda Jokes on you! You don't build turkish houses their sculpted like adobe's! Haven't you seen Indian Jones!?

loller2456 @SamaelNidor hell yeah

Axolot2705 @LaughinPanda LOL

Quadrinomical @LaughinPanda meanwhile they're better during global warming

LaughinPanda @axolot2705 PokPikachu

Quadrinomical <<architecture

loller2456 @Quadrinomical can we somehow utilize the massive sources of microplastics in balls to build recycled houses?

Axolot2705 Jokes aside my school is going fine. It's the summer break so I am getting ready for my erasmus semester at greece and working at my internship at the same time

Axolot2705 @LaughinPanda axolot42Heart

loller2456 @Axolot2705 erasmus in greece sounds lit. Drunk 24/7

Axolot2705 @loller2456 thats gonna be my final thesis

loller2456 @Axolot2705 please please

Axolot2705 Man when my plane lands I am gonna bother you on discord 24/7 for recommendations

Quadrinomical @loller2456 sure, if you want all the hikikomori to sploosh but not get paid like they would if they were in the USA

SamaelNidor Average age of viewers here guys ? I'm 30

loller2456 @Axolot2705 I know nice restaurants in athens

Quadrinomical half my family is greek but not my side. sad canadian

Axolot2705 thanks man

DojoDrummer 53 kids

Axolot2705 @loller2456 nice I am gonna stay in athens

loller2456 @Axolot2705 lovely! Beautiful city

Quadrinomical dojo don't give him proof for the fbi

Axolot2705 53 kids he is the new genghis khan

DojoDrummer lol and people that that name was hard in programming

DojoDrummer naming

SamaelNidor I didn't get that sentence

DojoDrummer also dope

Quadrinomical i have nothing to keep going. need to find purpose

Quadrinomical at best, will leave all to nephew

Quadrinomical he has been coding since age 6

loller2456 What do you mean family is the most important thing in like 20 fast and furious movies

Quadrinomical no im toronto

Quadrinomical but nephew coding age 6? super good. he was roblox and java better and before i did

DojoDrummer Quad there's not need to find purpose - find whatever entertains you - it doesn't have to be as deep as "purpose"

Axolot2705 vin diesel riding bumblebee to space

loller2456 @Quadrinomical that is really cool

vicentedealencar We doing collision?

Quadrinomical im his cousin "uncle" and want to help him but im limited by his parents.

takaxo1 dude I rocked the interview

takaxo1 lets go

Axolot2705 okay we are doing shitposting and life purpose at the same time in chat right now

loller2456 @takaxo1 oh shiit lets gooo!

Quadrinomical yes axo

Quadrinomical when is your next stream?

loller2456 @Axolot2705 maybe that is our purpose. to be dual clowns

Axolot2705 @Quadrinomical gonna stream for the priatejam

vicentedealencar What is this class? Wc?

Axolot2705 @loller2456 poetic

Quadrinomical @Axolot2705 YOU BETTER! i might

Axolot2705 wwwwwww

takaxo1 ty ty

loller2456 @takaxo1 cmon tell us more!

takaxo1 not sure yet, it was the third interview this last 2 weeks

takaxo1 but they said they really liked me. Its a 2 members startup so its going to be rough

loller2456 oh wow that sounds exciting

takaxo1 they'll get back this week with the response

takaxo1 but Im confident

Axolot2705 did you smacked the sh*t out of the interviewer with your keyboard and established yourself as the better programmer (thats how it goes at the programing side right?)

loller2456 is it also a webdev kind of space or are you specializing in something else?

takaxo1 they said I was too energetic and they could focus me to make something big

takaxo1 @Axolot2705 wish it was, I could show them all my neovim config

loller2456 @takaxo1 now I just imagine you jumping around the room like a monkey

takaxo1 lol

takaxo1 wouldnt be out of reality

Axolot2705 @loller2456 so I am right about the interview

loller2456 @Axolot2705 haha

takaxo1 @loller2456 its a app/website for financial market

takaxo1 idk yet didnt get their idea fully

DojoDrummer Do you think that WebAssembly is going to circument good assessibility practices. Also I've been playing around with Uiua. So much fun with combinators and all that jazz.

Axolot2705 @takaxo1 jokes aside thats fantastic

DojoDrummer damn I cannot type today

loller2456 ah okay nice. Hopefully they say yes!

DojoDrummer accessiblity

loller2456 @Axolot2705 yeah we are excited for you spirod1Hearts

takaxo1 @Axolot2705 fr im uneployed for like 6 months already

takaxo1 ty guys ,3

takaxo1 <3

Axolot2705 gonna kick ass

Axolot2705 and when you get the job come here and rub it on spiro's unemployed face

Axolot2705 even I got an internship

Axolot2705 what do you have

Axolot2705 pixel ships

loller2456 LMAO

DojoDrummer I've been really interested in making a game for the blind that uses a surround sound setup or head related transfer functions and headphones for directionality

Axolot2705 generational trauma

Axolot2705 @DojoDrummer thats sick

takaxo1 @Axolot2705 I'm shoving it in his face for a week now

loller2456 @DojoDrummer wow never really thought about blind people gaming.

takaxo1 even without the job

Axolot2705 @takaxo1 fantastic spirod1Hat

ubinatus 👋

loller2456 @ubinatus spirod1Hi

takaxo1 you gotta feel the unemployment

LaughinPanda @axolot2705 hey, the ships are pretty good! But, that coding... haha

Axolot2705 @LaughinPanda LOL true

ubinatus <3

takaxo1 ?

takaxo1 tell us

loller2456 sexy pics?

takaxo1 theres no half gossip

ubinatus Not a problem! :)

takaxo1 alright dude

s9tpepper_ when did you start respecting anything degen streamer? Kappa

Axolot2705 feet pics, what a hero

takaxo1 yes

takaxo1 literally yes

loller2456 show feet

ubinatus @Axolot2705 you got me! it was a secret!

Quadrinomical you don't want to see canadian feet. its like southpark, they're separate

Axolot2705 those toes were fantastic spiro says

s9tpepper_ i started watching this stream when it was still a family friendly stream ... now he just gets friendly with your family, especially the moms

DojoDrummer I was going to use chords and musical relationships, or doppler effects, or anything that turns out to be fun it's been really hard to figure out. But I love the idea of a game that has no visual aspect.

loller2456 @s9tpepper_ natural progression

Axolot2705 @ubinatus gotchya

Quadrinomical @DojoDrummer i used calculus to create entities offscreen that generate enemies upon impact

loller2456 @DojoDrummer I have 0 idea how one could pull this off but I would 100% want to see a demo of how this would work. Really cool

DojoDrummer I've been learning Rust so

Axolot2705 @DojoDrummer that is insanely interesting

SamaelNidor @DojoDrummer I guess you could use Spiro mom if you don't need any visual aspect

SamaelNidor Did I do it correctly guys ?

Axolot2705 LOL

loller2456 hahaha, like what is she going to walk around blind people and moan?

DojoDrummer damn

Axolot2705 One of us

Quadrinomical if you want a compelling audio game, wandersong

Axolot2705 just like any other of your jokes

Axolot2705 Lol

Axolot2705 spiro is doing himself mom jokes now

LaughinPanda He didn't even say "hang on" or go all Spiro Hawking. He just muted... so rude.

Axolot2705 your Schizophrenia is catching up to you man

Quadrinomical @Axolot2705 in 2 days you will be too

Axolot2705 @Quadrinomical axolot42Run

Axolot2705 okay now I gotta go

loller2456 see you later!

Axolot2705 so get burgered everyone

Quadrinomical borgerd

Axolot2705 axolot42Heart

loller2456 spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts

Quadrinomical us unemployed guys can't listen to this axo guy

loller2456 I have a job btw

Quadrinomical @loller2456 membership revoked

some_whaat hii!

loller2456 no haha I had it for a while

SamaelNidor In french when you voice is stuck like that we say that you have a cat in your throat

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor voix lente

loller2456 @SamaelNidor oh no are you french? that opens up so many insult possibilities

SamaelNidor @loller2456 I suppose it does

Owencodes HeyGuys

loller2456 uh lala

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical Ah oui ? Je ne connaissais pas

Owencodes yo yo

loller2456 bonjour

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor toronto, mandatory french age 9-14

Lafolie_ spirod1Hi

loller2456 @Quadrinomical I am sorry

loller2456 @Lafolie_ spirod1Hearts spirod1Hi

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical I suppose after 14 you surrendered

takaxo1 isnt french people the ones who put cars on fires? I like them

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor i would have kept going but my teacher was a jerk

loller2456 @takaxo1 they set a lot of things on fire

takaxo1 they sure do

Quadrinomical i actually liked it. wanted to be a translator. now the only languages i speak are english, canadian, and troll

Quadrinomical and a very little bit of french, dutch, and asl

SamaelNidor @takaxo1 Is it a typical french thing ?

loller2456 dutch is just fucked up german

takaxo1 we all speak english because its @SpirodonFL only language

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical Same for me with spanish then

Quadrinomical japanese is becoming more english so

takaxo1 and @SpirodonFL speaks enlgihs because its the only language he knows

takaxo1 we are not the same

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Your mum's butt too btw

Quadrinomical spiro lives in my country. he is fine.

loller2456 @takaxo1 get his ass employed man

takaxo1 I cant, poor economy baby

warning_unreachable_code hello mr hoodie man

loller2456 @SamaelNidor go eat a frog

Quadrinomical i quit my job, my references died from covid. ggwp

warning_unreachable_code i'm fine and you

Quadrinomical we're all wearing bowser hats now

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Never seen such a thing but I heard some french do it yes

SamaelNidor Like cars fire i suppose

loller2456 @SamaelNidor Honestly the main problem with france is french people. Otherwise the place is fine

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor gas or electric

loller2456 dealing with french people is the biggest pain in the ass

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Haha

loller2456 MAKE IT MAKE IT

Quadrinomical @loller2456 tbh the main problem with france is paris, and the main problem with french is quebecois

s9tpepper_ lies - make it - GIT CANCELLED

loller2456 @Quadrinomical paris is a shithole these days I agree

Lafolie_ I'm not subbed, make the the joke

loller2456 MAKE THE JOKE

loller2456 send it on discord

SamaelNidor @loller2456 I left Paris because I didnt like it. Why don't you either ?

Lafolie_ Damn right you're not gonna make it, unless you make the joke

Quadrinomical 9.99$/mo sub for the joke

vicentedealencar block[block_id] = 0;

PureAmbrosia 👀

vicentedealencar Not grid

vicentedealencar Right there

vicentedealencar Oh shhh

Lafolie_ block[block_id].block(block[block_id].blocks[block.block])

Quadrinomical someone is stepping on legos tonight

a29fc8 spirod1Hi

loller2456 @SamaelNidor crowded, dirty, full of sketchy individuals bothering you. French people are generally real assholes unless you speak french (which I dont). The food and wine is mediocre when Spain and Italy exist. Mbappe is a fraud etc. I could go on

s9tpepper_ Mbappe is a fraud is my favorite thing on your list @loller2456 s9tpepLol

Lafolie_ Any city with a syndrome derived from it is questionable

loller2456 @s9tpepper_ spirod1Dance spirod1Dance

Quadrinomical @loller2456 calm down. the best Michelin restaurants in the UK serve french food.

Quadrinomical @Lafolie_ its bigger in japan

loller2456 @Quadrinomical yeah because UK is known for its great taste in things

Quadrinomical @loller2456 i love burnt everything too

warning_unreachable_code if a block contains grids then a grid contains what ?

vicentedealencar Debugger;

Lafolie_ @warning_unreachable_code glocks

Quadrinomical block und grid und block und grid und block und grid

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Okay that is interesting. A lot of people are still not confortable with english, that might be part of the explanation. I don't drink wine so I couldnt tell and can't eat most of our food because I stopped animal based products. I don't know anything about football. Go on if you wish, I didn't know people would dislike french "in general" that much but that's interesting

warning_unreachable_code @Lafolie_ heh

loller2456 @SamaelNidor haha no worries. To be fair on the french hate scale I am probably higher than average, but I still think there is a lot of french "hate" in general.

warning_unreachable_code @Quadrinomical ah recursion

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor the western french perspective is more about world wars and cuisine supremecy. 95% of any other opinion is a perspective on 'that one time in traffic in paris'

s9tpepper_ @loller2456 I had some pretty good Indian and middle eastern food in UK tho lol

loller2456 @s9tpepper_ because most of it was invented there /s but not /s

Lafolie_ @loller2456 Accurate

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical Yes that's more the idea I got

Quadrinomical @s9tpepper_ if you're ever near toronto visit the east end 'scarborough' for that kind of food

loller2456 @Quadrinomical Sure paris is a big culprit. The rest of the country is difficult to access because of the language barrier. At least that is what it feels like for me whenever I was there.

SamaelNidor @loller2456 That might be true indeed

Quadrinomical @loller2456 its the same in canada; ontario and quebec. west side you're OK, east side they won't even speak with you if its not perfect quebecois

loller2456 And the people are just not nice I dont know how it works. Even meeting french people outside of france there is just something off I cant define it

SamaelNidor @loller2456 The lack of frogs

loller2456 @Quadrinomical yeah something like that

Quadrinomical ive known nice french people.

Quadrinomical its the hardcores. like everywhere else

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical It's only a myth

loller2456 @SamaelNidor confirmed by a french

loller2456 case closed we can go home

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor ive known nice people from france. i don't know anyone nice from quebec.

loller2456 @Quadrinomical sounds like a great place to visit...

Quadrinomical for 17 year olds in ottawa trying to get legal alcohol? yup.

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical In France, Quebec people are know to be super friendly and nice

Quadrinomical @SamaelNidor Canadians globally are flagged for this though, so its not much different.

Quadrinomical I think its a matter of intracity vs out of city

loller2456 @Quadrinomical my only canadian reference is spiro so its not looking good for you

Quadrinomical @loller2456 he's west coast. where weed was "legal" 30 years ago.

Quadrinomical im in the "USA" of canada

loller2456 I know but canada is still canada no? I never looked into the details

loller2456 @Quadrinomical ah okay

Quadrinomical lol no

Quadrinomical canada is the 2nd biggest geographical country next to russia

loller2456 I know that there is the french split east/west but are there other divisions?

Quadrinomical most of our population live on the USA border

Quadrinomical there is NOT the split like that loller

loller2456 @Quadrinomical but like 95% of the people live some amount of distance to the US border no? and most of the country is empty

loller2456 thats what I remember from school

loller2456 @Quadrinomical hmm

loller2456 I meant like a language split not that the actual bit is french

DojoDrummer I love "some amount of distance" as a measure

SamaelNidor @DojoDrummer More or less

Quadrinomical most of the immigration goes to : toronto, montreal, calgary, vancouver

loller2456 @DojoDrummer I dont remember the exact figure but I remember from school that there was some distance value where most of the people live

Quadrinomical people are moving north because its too costly in the city now

SamaelNidor Loller where are you from ?

loller2456 @Quadrinomical at least global warming will make more of the country livable huh

Quadrinomical despite adding 1.2 million immigrants during covid the country's population dropped 200k last year if i remember the stats correctly

loller2456 @SamaelNidor eastern europe currently living in Northern Italy

Quadrinomical quebec is fighting for the preservation of their culture

loller2456 @Quadrinomical that is crazy actually

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Okay great, i didnt travel much

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Sure but at this rate Spiro might land a job here

loller2456 @SamaelNidor Come to italy you basically understand half of the language already

SamaelNidor @loller2456 I might someday thanks

loller2456 @SamaelNidor the only zig developer in quebec

Quadrinomical @loller2456 we were at 38.7 million 2010. 39.9 in 2020. at 40.77 now for 2023. with 1.27 million imigrants

loller2456 @Quadrinomical need more babies time to up your game a little

shreyassanthu you can use sugonde

Quadrinomical immigration/emmigration usually fuels empires and economies over the last thousands of years since the evolution of agricultural technology

loller2456 @shreyassanthu spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts

Quadrinomical @loller2456 japan has been worried about that too for years

loller2456 @Quadrinomical stop making excuses and release those microplastics

shreyassanthu Heyyyyy @loller2456

Quadrinomical @loller2456 i would but they're in my balls. no matter how much i want to...

Quadrinomical shrey please save us

loller2456 @Quadrinomical Then start saving up for a plastic house

shreyassanthu what happened to using c ??

loller2456 @shreyassanthu c deez nuts

shreyassanthu @loller2456 DON'T RUIN THE JOKE

Quadrinomical @loller2456 i could make a lewd statement about "busting" my wallet for a horse, and it would take weeks, but no

shreyassanthu FFS!!! LET ME JUST LIGMA SPIRO

loller2456 @shreyassanthu oh it was a setup for a joke?

loller2456 I AM SORRY DAD

Quadrinomical @loller2456 my CDs are nuts, what are you saying

loller2456 @Quadrinomical I wish you showed me your CD collection

Quadrinomical @loller2456 first time you asked. i can go get em

Quadrinomical there's tapes and 8-tracks too

loller2456 do you have some floppies as well or all stiff media?

Quadrinomical and im not even the ripe old age of 40

Quadrinomical i have floppies

loller2456 sick

Quadrinomical my 7 floppy install pack for the original doom

loller2456 I had some as a kid but I am a CD kid

loller2456 @Quadrinomical woah

ALsJourney Hi spiro

Quadrinomical i was an 8 inch floppy, commodore kid

loller2456 @ALsJourney spirod1Hi

ALsJourney Poooound

Quadrinomical we had our first CD drive when i was 4 i think

Quadrinomical comic shop down the street had 4 for 1$ floppy games

loller2456 @Quadrinomical that would have been my moms childhood if you could buy that in the soviet block.

Quadrinomical boondock canada, early 1990s

Quadrinomical maybe 80s

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Why playing Doom when living doom

loller2456 @SamaelNidor LMAO

loller2456 @Quadrinomical okay grandpa

Quadrinomical to be clear. dad had doom and and F-15 fighter sim installed

Quadrinomical and was MAD when i found it

Quadrinomical @loller2456 im younger than Thor

loller2456 @Quadrinomical Thor is a fictional character

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Since when ? Kappa

Quadrinomical @loller2456 im younger than Jason "Thor" Hall

SamaelNidor Where jedi hood

Quadrinomical idk they took it and said they weren't marketing the new series to the older generations

loller2456 @Quadrinomical Shall I know this person?

Quadrinomical OH SHIT HES BACK

Quadrinomical @loller2456 google.

loller2456 okay

Quadrinomical im slightly younger than our lord, savior, Spiro\

ghostm4gic hey Spiro, what are you working on?

loller2456 @Quadrinomical just slightly I suppose

loller2456 <3

Quadrinomical @loller2456 I am NOT yet the ripe old age of 40

loller2456 @Quadrinomical Let me know when you are we will make an announement

Quadrinomical @loller2456 I'll need to make a career out of it then. Years away, and I'm still currently unemployed too but better than Spiro, I don't have any contracts

ghostm4gic cool

Quadrinomical Wait @SpirodonFL wtf show that again, that was cool

loller2456 @Quadrinomical whats up with you canadian peeps all being unemployed

Quadrinomical @loller2456 He was too good, and they didnt' know it and decided to spend more money to do the same job to do less.

vicentedealencar Htmx into wasm memory?

SamaelNidor I'm glad I met you all because now I ill start to cherish my job that sometimes i wanted to leave

Quadrinomical @Quadrinomical I left mine because I didn't want to be part of a system that used inefficiency to kill people daily.

loller2456 @Quadrinomical Have you found any interesting alternatives?

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical Seems efficient

Quadrinomical also, we're both now "self employed"

Quadrinomical spiro is frickin inspirational.

loller2456 @Quadrinomical big brain time: you and spiro (as self employed) employ each other and basically generate infininite money

Lafolie_ Inspired out of Employment™

Quadrinomical no i quit because i was going to die literally from my vocation.

Lafolie_ Super crunch?

Quadrinomical i wasn't a programmer

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical Nobody is perfect

Quadrinomical i was a hospital manager

Lafolie_ Oil rig?

loller2456 ooooh

Lafolie_ oh

Quadrinomical ive programmed on the side for years

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical The inefficiency thing now is hitting hard

Quadrinomical ive followed development for years

Quadrinomical yeah

loller2456 Were the nurses hot?

Quadrinomical so now im stock marketing because i spent 20 years on WOW and other games dominating the auction house

Quadrinomical and i program after the market closes at 4pm

loller2456 @Quadrinomical hahaha incredible

Lafolie_ You could program a hospital tycoon game

Quadrinomical working on a starfield-esque space game in 2d in gamemaker atm

SamaelNidor So what would you do to kill people efficiently

Lafolie_ Oh man, running mmo auctions is so fun

loller2456 @Quadrinomical cool! Send some pics in discord whenever you have something cool to show

Lafolie_ I used to manipulate stuff on FFXIV when it relaunched

Quadrinomical @loller2456 i used the ship to spell axolot's name on stream a year ago

loller2456 BDO markets were fun

Lafolie_ FF aution house has these retainers you sell through, literal proxy characters you make, it's so fucked up haha

Quadrinomical BDO was OK but the community didn't hold in the west

loller2456 @Quadrinomical it was the only mmo I ever got really into. Havent played in 2 years now probably

Quadrinomical @loller2456 I was the richest person on the server within 2 months.

loller2456 @Quadrinomical haha amazing

Quadrinomical but my gf didn't like the PVP

Lafolie_ Played BDO for a bit. My character was so ugly it drew crowds, was so fun

SamaelNidor @Quadrinomical Did you compulsively started to plot to manipulate the rest of the server ?

Quadrinomical i have a video of 12 of us fighting a 40 and 80 man group guild war in BDO

Quadrinomical we were jacked

Quadrinomical yeah, lol.

Quadrinomical when the streamer you're fighting screams "OMG THEY HAVE 100 GUYS"

Quadrinomical and the limit is 20

Quadrinomical and you only hit 20 because a couple people joined

loller2456 lol

Quadrinomical and you're actually 12

loller2456 sounds like a good time

Quadrinomical ill post the vid if i find it again]

loller2456 cool!

Lafolie_ what is this pirate music

KaleCotrell_ Hey..

KaleCotrell_ Im alright

SamaelNidor For now you might but wait for loller to destroy your views about your own country

loller2456 Alright guys, as an EU pleb with a job I need to wake up early tomorrow. Thanks for the stream spiro, was nice to talk shit again after a while. Have a good night guys spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hearts spirod1Hug See you tomorrow for the 72 hours stream

loller2456 @SamaelNidor SORRY

loller2456 <3

SamaelNidor @loller2456 That was a joke ofc but still, i ill check on your mom later

s9tpepper_ 5/5 for layoff survival as of today ... t3ggSad

loller2456 @SamaelNidor sucez mes microplastiques

SamaelNidor @loller2456 Will do

s9tpepper_ @loller2456 LUL

SamaelNidor What is the 1v1 thing for 10k eggs on the channel ?

SamaelNidor Oh that's great

KaleCotrell_ Good ol days

ghostm4gic any monopoly is a cancer

Lafolie_ momopoly on the other hand...

KaleCotrell_ bloodopoly >:)

KaleCotrell_ jk

ghostm4gic you should work on full game engine in Zig Spiro, there's a market for that and billions to make

ghostm4gic you can target both webassembly and standalone

KaleCotrell_ Ive tried gamedev and Game engine work... it aint for me XD

KaleCotrell_ 3d is fun dont get me wrong. But yeah lol

ghostm4gic yes, you are building that :)

ghostm4gic just target more platforms

ghostm4gic Unity market cap is 6,6 billions USD

ghostm4gic and it's all time low

ghostm4gic Zig would be great language for that

ghostm4gic better than cpp or c#

ghostm4gic or Godot gscript...

KaleCotrell_ @ghostm4gic I agree

ghostm4gic yeah, you need to hire 1000 engineers

ghostm4gic and go for it :D

SamaelNidor @ghostm4gic done

ghostm4gic ez

ghostm4gic of course

KaleCotrell_ I made a basic bufferoverflow exploit to exploit a crappy program I made for fun. and I got access to my own program XD

cdvillard It has been forever, yeah!

cdvillard I'm okay. Trying to find time to do more than just work.

chuggingCoffee 🫵 Boop

chuggingCoffee Oh you know, just writing disaster code and then arguing with said code.

chuggingCoffee A day in the life

mytec23 just came in put a like on the video

mytec23 layer

SamaelNidor I gtg, it was nice meeting you guys

SamaelNidor See you later

Moldy Apple BATTLE THE FROG

Moldy Apple BATTLEFROGS DOUBLE SPIRO 🐸🤺

hungryhungryhippo Dang late to the stream

AyalisaTTV ayalis1Dance ayalis1Dance ayalis1Dance

Moldy Apple Vampire Frog said he could run circles around you and your mom simultaneously

hungryhungryhippo I always miss the discord announcements cause they don't popup for some reason

AyalisaTTV your mom ~~~~ lol

Moldy Apple just make sure she doesnt miss her soaps

hungryhungryhippo DansGame

KaleCotrell_ ???

KaleCotrell_ @hungryhungryhippo Nice emoji

hungryhungryhippo @KaleCotrell_ I just noticed how low quality it is. Nice job twitch

KaleCotrell_ XD

soupy333 whatup. what happened to c?

soupy333 to be clear, i am supportive of not doing c

soupy333 deep dark pit of dispair

soupy333 i gotchu

hungryhungryhippo I forget, was your experience in web dev?

soupy333 you looking for another job focusing on web? or trying to go more backend?

shreyassanthu heyy I am back

hungryhungryhippo 20+ years experience? Sounds like you qualify for a junior dev position Kappa

shreyassanthu do you want to learn react and next in a week??

shreyassanthu should we try ?

shreyassanthu it's not that hard

hungryhungryhippo I hate frontend with a passion

shreyassanthu not hard at all actually

soupy333 do you not know react?

shreyassanthu yeah

shreyassanthu have you used use effect and kinda got what was happening?

hungryhungryhippo I think I'd rather work in a backend position away from the javascript world as much as possible

shreyassanthu Oh yeah

soupy333 yea, i think as long as you know enough about react to be dangerous and to be knowledgeable of hooks and shit then you'd be fine

shreyassanthu oh useEffect super shitty and complex

hungryhungryhippo Yeah, unfortunately seems like a lot of positions want you to do both now

shreyassanthu No

soupy333 yea most companies are on the react train now. so interviewing as someone who doesn't know react, or hasn't used it yet is a bit of a yellow flag

soupy333 dont give the interviewers a reason to say no

shreyassanthu react does sooo much that it feels like a black box

shreyassanthu how is invisible man visible???

hungryhungryhippo I think I might start aiming for the java / angular positions, I'm over react

Invisibleman94 thank you, I'm doing well, been some late night streaming

ghostm4gic angular is even worse

shreyassanthu I wouldn't hire a person who doesn't know react and a lot of people wouldn't either

soupy333 as someone who despised react, resisted it for years until 2022, and then finally learned it... i now love it and i was an idiot for resisting it

shreyassanthu almost everybody is adopting react

Invisibleman94 writing a bittorrent client in rust

Lafolie_ How about the opposite. Know react, no job

shreyassanthu I wouldn't say react is good but it makes you super hirable

ghostm4gic the main reason that react is a monopoly right now is because what they did to angular

Invisibleman94 yeah, I'm doing the build-your-own-x guide

Lafolie_ How's that work though? It's not good, but you need to know it to be hired, because you need to know it to be hired

shreyassanthu @ghostm4gic lol 😂 angular killed itself

ghostm4gic yes

shreyassanthu react did nothing

shreyassanthu angular is a shit show

ghostm4gic that's why we have mediocre framework as a monopoly

hungryhungryhippo @shreyassanthu how so

shreyassanthu the zone js shit was worse than vdom

ghostm4gic they didn't have to do anything

Lafolie_ Legs were invented to wear trousers

shreyassanthu @hungryhungryhippo angular was bloated and full of shit

soupy333 i legit dont understand the react hate. i think its just cool to hate the most popular frameworks

shreyassanthu new angular is kinda good tho

shreyassanthu I'd use it now

hungryhungryhippo @shreyassanthu I'm mainly going off of trying new angular, I don't have experience with older angular

shreyassanthu @hungryhungryhippo ohhh you're lucky

anaserror404 do you play games ?

soupy333 in my mind, frameworks should ideally simplify code and complexity, while speeding up development velocity. fwiw, that's been my exact experience with it

shreyassanthu modern angular is really good

shreyassanthu but still doesn't have a lot of features

anaserror404 <3

hungryhungryhippo Yeah, it is missing some things. I do wish it had something similar to next . That's one of the things that kept me going back to react is next

hungryhungryhippo I'd rather it be vue and nuxt but react is more popular :(

shreyassanthu vue is super mid but much better than react

shreyassanthu and next is cool af

shreyassanthu Daniel row is awesome

shreyassanthu *uxt

shreyassanthu fking mames

shreyassanthu nah

hungryhungryhippo I don't even think it's the frameworks that make me hate frontend as much as it is I'm complete ass at anything that requires an eye for design.

shreyassanthu I invented in Google and nvidia because a lot of people are doing it as well

shreyassanthu I amde a lot of profit

shreyassanthu *invest

shreyassanthu Ehhhh

shreyassanthu we're fighting about dumb things actually

shreyassanthu so do you want to learn react or stay hungry

shreyassanthu pick one

ghostm4gic haha

shreyassanthu you should read the react docs and next docs on stream

shreyassanthu from start to finish

shreyassanthu even if you hate something it's a great idea to learn about it

dmmulroy every next docs page load gets jimmy an extra egg for breakfast

shreyassanthu @dmmulroy lol 🤣

soupy333 remix > nextjs. now that's just a personal opinion though

soupy333 both lean hard on react

shreyassanthu @soupy333 remix is not a real thing

shreyassanthu remix is dead

soupy333 k

shreyassanthu I can prove it right now

soupy333 k

shreyassanthu remix is just react router now

shreyassanthu they're the same thing

hungryhungryhippo remix got merged into react-router didn't it?

soupy333 you're entitled to your opinion, but as someone who's built on a lot of frameworks i'm telling you it's an unlock. you should try it

shreyassanthu https://remix.run/blog/merging-remix-and-react-router

shreyassanthu ^ @soupy333

shreyassanthu Okay I gotta go man byeee

k1ng440 Sublime text!

k1ng440 Why is your monitor is not front of you?

k1ng440 Nothing. Just browsing.

k1ng440 Do you have LSP in sublime text?

k1ng440 Yike

Lafolie_ WHY

dmmulroy i get autocomplete being annoying but not having diagnostics would suck

vicentedealencar The nano default

k1ng440 I got used to IDE so I can't program without LSP anymore.

dmmulroy why not disable auto complete but keep diagnostics

k1ng440 I know it's sucks

dmmulroy or toggle lsp diagnostics on and off

dmmulroy you can copy and paste my nvim cofnig

dmmulroy oh wait

dmmulroy smh

dmmulroy you've gone back to sublime

ghostm4gic what is "diagnostics"?

dmmulroy unemployed man turns his back on the one thing that loves him unconditionally, neovim

Lafolie_ It's so hard to find good themes because most of them a bigger palette than an art supply store

s9tpepper_ @SpirodonFL should rename stream to "Luddite codes modern language Zig without modern tooling" Kappa

Lafolie_ "Luddite blinds audience with white backgrounds"

dmmulroy when are you doing the maple syrup shower stream

dmmulroy (as is tradition for canadias)

rvIceBreaker that's basically just using nvim...

rvIceBreaker Kappa

ghostm4gic its funny just until you see these "modern" programmers at real job

ghostm4gic and suddenly they have less productivity than oldschool notepad programmer

Lafolie_ Does the money there really smell of maple or is it just a meme?

dmmulroy not only does it smell of maple but it feels like maple syrup too, very sticky

hicaro____ Hellloo

TravisVroman o/

hicaro____ How we all doing today?

hicaro____ @travisvroman hey mannn <3 love your C streams

TravisVroman @hicaro____ o/ Thanks!

TravisVroman How are things?

rvIceBreaker I watch travis to feel inferior

TravisVroman Okay, that's a lie. You are a gigachad. I am just a Dingus-Oriented programmer

rvIceBreaker except when he's wrong

TravisVroman @rvIceBreaker Which is all the time LUL

rvIceBreaker @TravisVroman Kappa

TravisVroman Dude, job status is not always aligned with skillset.

TravisVroman You are top notch, my dude

TravisVroman Ah, thanks mate. I appreciate it

TravisVroman What are you up to atm?

jaythedeveloper Fear not, Mod Jay is here !

jaythedeveloper I'm good, working on a presentation and sample code for building a disk backed key- value store

TravisVroman Hell yeah, in-game editors are awesome

TravisVroman Yeah I gotcha

jaythedeveloper we doing wysiwyg grids !

loading_personality Hello

TravisVroman I thought you were building a quadtree for a hot second

TravisVroman That would be pretty slick!

TravisVroman Might as well call it GridUIX

TravisVroman Yeah dude!

loading_personality doing good allmig35Loveyouall

TravisVroman And you'd get that without having to keep another copy of Chrome around (like Electron)

loading_personality is it like CSS grid system?

tw0st3p hey spiro o/. you looking at web components today?

tw0st3p i've been messing with them recently

TravisVroman I assume you're making this in Zig?

TravisVroman That's the application I was thinking of

TravisVroman Indeed!

tw0st3p you're pulling layout data from wasm/zig and rendering it with a web component?

tw0st3p this is really neat! could you show how a simple one is defined in zig?

loading_personality I've used gridstack js

loading_personality for drag and drop, resizable charts for a dashboard

omnifidus Speaking of performant, do you have a comment about the performance of the zig compiler. I've heard people complain.

loading_personality yeah it'll be faster

loading_personality and wider use

tw0st3p have you seen https://github.com/mitchellh/zig-js ? wonder if it might be useful here

omnifidus Thank you for the comment. Cool!

TravisVroman We should try compiling Kohi with it versus clang and see what we get

tw0st3p i've been wanting to check zig-js out

omnifidus ziggit.org answers zig questions. They say the Zig dev's are working on speeding things up, so hopefully it will be even better soon.

IndifferentGhost Funemployed.

vicentedealencar Terminal

vicentedealencar Tv

vicentedealencar Videogames console

omnifidus I meant www.ziggit.dev (wrong web address before).

tw0st3p @omnifidus i'm hoping compile times will get better soon. this is the main focus of the devs this release cycle. that means things like incremental compilation are high priority right now

omnifidus Now THATS slow. Sorry about that.

vicentedealencar SSR also. But not on the client I think ...

loading_personality would this work with desktop apps?

tw0st3p one thing you can do to improve dev time is make a 'check' step for zls as desribed https://kristoff.it/blog/improving-your-zls-experience/

loading_personality got it

omnifidus @vicentedealencar Thank you.

vicentedealencar Be welcome... For what exactly?

jaythedeveloper you could build my serverless search product for me with all the free time you have Kappa

omnifidus Second correction: https://ziggit.dev is the correct address. I'm feeling like a dinosaur. That is literally the first URL I've ever seen that would not resolve correctly from www.<whatever> to <whatever>. I suppose that is part of Web 2.0 (or Web 3.0), whichever version we are officially on. :-)

omnifidus No.

omnifidus I used to work at Intel Research Labs.

omnifidus You are welcome!

TravisVroman Dude

omnifidus I'm 60 years old.

TravisVroman If that doesn't have you written all over it

omnifidus I know a few very important people.

TravisVroman Learn about machine learning! :P

rvIceBreaker Everything I've seen about machine learning reads like a fucking D&D lore book but even less interpretable

loading_personality LUL

omnifidus Keep up the good work. Don't stress out. Where in the world do you live? I'm in Silicon Valley.

ghostm4gic send you CV, why not, write you're willing to learn and you'll take 160K

TravisVroman @rvIceBreaker Based.

rvIceBreaker So I guess its the WH40K of compsci

omnifidus For machine learning, you will need to know at least one solid back-end language very well. Python will do. C++ is th big winner.

TravisVroman I could help you with C stuff, but not C++ anymore, lol

omnifidus For Vancouver, I worked on the Tofino. The we bought the company. Don't worry about C++ other than to say it sucks. I agree with some very important people about that.

TravisVroman o/

omnifidus Please do apply.

omnifidus You CAN'T remember Tofino!

omnifidus It was a security device.

rvIceBreaker "We finally solved the Bergstrom Inference by using Zongbang influences fed with Dingdong's theorem participles crossed with mystical shaman chants and Heisenberg confluences with an added Woopwoop infrastructure policy" but worse

omnifidus It was made by Byers Security.

omnifidus Wow!

omnifidus Yes, it is a place.

omnifidus Got it.

omnifidus I spent a year writing the deep-packet inspection engine for Tofino. Then the company was moved to India by Belden who hired me. Good luck!

omnifidus I have the first line for your cover letter.

omnifidus No, I'm in your shoes.

omnifidus I'm Todd Bezenek.

omnifidus I worked on a PhD for 6 years at the Univ. of Wisconsin, which is very closely tied to Microsoft.

omnifidus And, zig and MS are closely tied.

omnifidus Some people are famous.

omnifidus Some people are infamous.

omnifidus I'll give you your first line.

ghostm4gic agism maybe

Lafolie_ "The "cloud" of the future is just as unstable as the junk upon which we built it. :-/ "

omnifidus Someone who worked closely with David DeWitt suggest I apply.

Lafolie_ Damn dood he's one of us

omnifidus I did work with him.

omnifidus Every morning, he talked with a guy named Jim Gray.

omnifidus Not MIT.

omnifidus Yes.

omnifidus I was an early riser. David would chase me out of his office at 7:30am because Jim Gray called every morning while he was driving to work from San Francisco down to near Oracle.

omnifidus David was then the founding director of the Jim Gray Microsoft Research Lab.

omnifidus My PhD advisor (who did not allow me to finish) was the founding director of the Microsoft Computer Architecture Research Lab in Madison, WI. Both at in Madison, WI.

omnifidus End of rabbit hole.

omnifidus Sorry, not MICROSOFT. It was Google.

omnifidus The current person running that lab is one of the guys I worked with during my PhD.

omnifidus I wish I had a lawn.

TravisVroman "At the ripe old age of 40..."

omnifidus The problem in California is homelessness.

Lopta I used to be 40.

omnifidus Interesting. Do a startup called "instant death". It has the same initials as ID Software.

TravisVroman @omnifidus I love it!

omnifidus The two hardest things to write: a game engine and a compiler.

omnifidus I worked on two compilers.

omnifidus No!!!

TravisVroman @omnifidus Between us we have it covered then? I've done game engines but not compilers

omnifidus Everyone is writing their own languages now. We have too many.

rvIceBreaker Sorry I'm over here distracted investigating Mr Bezenek's work :)

omnifidus Sure.

omnifidus LCD (lowest common denominator) has always been a problem in industry.

PureAmbrosia Hot take time! spirod1HYPE

omnifidus The guy who invented HTML said it was NEVER supposed to be a language generated by people.

Lopta What am Zig?

rvIceBreaker That explains why its a nightmare to read Kappa

omnifidus Right now I'm impressed by Modular and the language that is likely to replace Rust (other than Go).

TravisVroman "Just to add one more thing to that..." *stream dies*

Lafolie_ I still haven't read that page, even after all our discussions lol

omnifidus https://ruhati.net/mojo/_introduction.html

s9tpepper_ you mean like saying "Rust is bad because I feel like its going to implode based on feelings" ... Kappa

omnifidus @s9tpepper_ No. Rust was taken up by Google. They are replacing C++ in Android with it.

s9tpepper_ @omnifidus Oh I don't think its bad lol ... I mainly do Rust when I stream these days

Lafolie_ I can't see myself moving away from Odin for a long time

omnifidus Mojo is being done by someone I've met.

omnifidus You probably want to apply with that guy also.

tw0st3p any good resources for understanding web components? i want to understand when to use shadowRoot vs just setting this.innerHTML

omnifidus We have two problems in the world:

omnifidus Fragmentation of TV and fragmentation of programming tools.

ZerkBtw did you get laid off?

omnifidus Wow! You know (about) almost everything I do not understand based on what I'm hearing.

ghostm4gic web components will kill react hopefully

omnifidus @ZerkBtw Getting "laid" is good. Getting "let go" is like being dumped by a girlfriend.

tw0st3p ah thanks for explaining that. i didn't realize shadowRoot allowed you to isolate the style like that

tw0st3p makes a lot of sense SeemsGood

s9tpepper_ WebComponents have been "killing frameworks" for years now, I don't see it happening any time soon - not cause they're not good, but cause developers are stubborn and will hold on to their React as long as possible to not learn something new

omnifidus To be good to @SpirodonFL, he did what good engineers have to do: make yourself replacable.

Lopta Remember folks: no good deed goes unpunished.

omnifidus What I meant by my comment is I know almost everything about the back end and almost nothing about front. (I'm a posterior programmer. You understand the anterior. To put it into medical speak.)

omnifidus For me, there were two of us. It took 18 people to replace us.

Owencodes sorry dad

Owencodes :D

omnifidus So, how much about the backend do you understand?

omnifidus Do you know what a computer architect is?

omnifidus Node!

Lopta I have built up a little tolerance for C. Never did like php.

omnifidus Node is what Google used before they built Go. (Golang)

Lopta More of a Pascal man, myself.

Owencodes did you see this

Owencodes https://medium.com/@andisyafrianda/a-sneak-peek-into-php-8-4-whats-new-and-exciting-ed513250728f#8536

Owencodes lol how dare you dad haha

Lafolie_ @Lopta Obligatory Odin shill moment. Quite Pascal inspired

sam_sepiol30 if you dont mind me asking, were you a frontend dev in your previous job ?

Lopta Thanks Lafolle_, I hadn't heard of Odin

tw0st3p so all document styles don't apply to shadowRoot right? only styles you define on the web component?

Owencodes php to da moon :D

sam_sepiol30 so they wanted to change stack ?

Owencodes damn expensive house houses here in ireland are like 350k my parents place was like 370k

Lafolie_ @Lopta :) hope you enjoy it

tw0st3p ah thanks! i think i understand open vs closed better now

omnifidus (I had another comment about your job loss, but I don't want to distract fro this.) So, to back up, do you know who Chris Lattner is? (HTMX is what I would pick from what I understand.)

sam_sepiol30 wish they could at least let you stay n learn

omnifidus Cool!

Lafolie_ "it is what it is" basically

PureAmbrosia Unfortunately, I may have to get into a react...

omnifidus He did something I worked on, but a few years later.

ghostm4gic they never let you stay if you have different opinions

ghostm4gic no matter your skills

omnifidus Don't talk so long about each thing. I wanted to move forward.

omnifidus Chris Lattner is also hiring.

omnifidus Yes.

omnifidus Apply at Modular.

TravisVroman I fault them for not giving you a chance to see if you'll go along with the new plan

omnifidus For Modular, tell them this:

TravisVroman But I'm so salty about that stuff my first name should have been Morton

omnifidus I met someone who was on the team of three people who wrote the Wisconsin Strata Virtual Machine.

omnifidus Chris Lattner is currently writing a Virtual Machine.

omnifidus Do you know what a hypervisor is?

omnifidus Got it.

Lopta Did wsl use Hyper-V for the hypervisor?

Lopta ...or kvm?

Lopta Makes sense, being Microsoft.

omnifidus The Strata virtual machine (VM) was similar to LLVM. Have you heard of LLVM?

omnifidus That was a trick question. :=)

omnifidus Modular and Mojo are using part of LLVM.

Lopta I use QEMU with nvmm. QEMU feels a bit janky but it's free.

omnifidus Are you familiar with Java bytecodes and webcodes?

Lopta There are things I would like to fix.

omnifidus Sorry, I meant webassembly.

omnifidus @Lopta Yes, QEMU is nasty. I prefer VMware.

omnifidus Nifty.

omnifidus Do you want to know the most important person in Silicon Valley whom I know?

omnifidus He is the chairperson of the board of Alphabet Ventures.

Lopta biab...

omnifidus I'm working on the person you should contact. I'll be back.

omnifidus https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikschweigert/

omnifidus He was my boss for a while at my last job.

omnifidus He know Eric Byres personally.

omnifidus He also lives near you.

omnifidus He could hire you tomorrow.

Lopta Eric Bytes

omnifidus I need your LinkedIn.

omnifidus s/Bytes/Byres/g

omnifidus Cool!

omnifidus My issue is that I don't have a "portfolio". Let me show you something I worked on: www.mbsweb.com

Owencodes been working on base php for a bit got a few projects im working on now :)

Owencodes before I got back to laravel

omnifidus No hurry. Keep focused.

Owencodes @omnifidus ik how you feel cool site tho

omnifidus Omnifidus is the name of my venture capital company.

omnifidus @Owencodes I didn't build the site. I did the software they are selling on the site.

Owencodes ah gotcha

Lopta sighs

omnifidus I was engineer #2 at that company.

omnifidus You could build a new website for them toorrow if you wanted to.

omnifidus It is in Fargo, ND where I grew up.

Owencodes I wish I worked at a company just once for experience

omnifidus @Owencodes How old are you, Owen?

Owencodes @omnifidus im 28 been learning seriously last 2 and half yrs

omnifidus I also worked for this company in Fargo, ND: https://eid-co.com/index.php

Owencodes my third year this year :)

omnifidus @Owencodes Cool!

Owencodes self taught

Owencodes :)

Owencodes I hope my time comes soon not the that time but the time to get a job lol

ghostm4gic careful what you wish for :P

Owencodes if I was doing a tech degree id be more than half way in if it was 4 years

omnifidus @Owencodes Cool.

Owencodes hope so :D

Owencodes @omnifidus yup

PureAmbrosia I just googled when agesim starts and I am deeply saddened by the world.

ghostm4gic in some companies it starts at 30 lol

omnifidus Typo in the name of the function?

ghostm4gic its just because they hired too many students last years

Lafolie_ @ghostm4gic Talking to young people, they seem to have a bizarre notion of what "old" is

omnifidus You are translating from what language to zig? You are doing what Chris Lattner is doing with Mojo right now, I believe. Do you agree?

ghostm4gic and then when you're old you a blocker to their progress, they will never be seniors when they work with you, but when everybody is 28 then they can all be seniors

Owencodes @Lafolie_ covid ruined my twenties lol 3 years of it

PureAmbrosia Hard to hire young for those 'need to have 7 to 10 years of experience' jobs...

Owencodes even 3 to 5 years is crazy

Owencodes cant even get in the door lol

omnifidus Isn't there a debugger for zig? Not yet?

PureAmbrosia I suppose I am just processing the fact I have another layer of discrimination to potentially work through.

omnifidus I saw all of the debug code in main() so I asked. I wrote the debugger for the Wisconsin Strata VM. @floor is what you want, I believe.

omnifidus u16 is an unsigned integer.

omnifidus You can cast it to a float. I don't know how to cast in zig. It might do it automatically on assignment.

omnifidus Oh, index / MAX is a u16. That's what you want, right?

ghostm4gic @ is used for standard lib function?

omnifidus What's the original code from Javascript?

Lopta I shall go away now. Good luck! o/

Lafolie_ @Lopta o/

omnifidus I wanted to see what the line is supposed to do so I can tell you what to do.

tw0st3p @ghostm4gic @ means builtin fn. this is different from std lib

omnifidus Got it.

takaxo1 focus mode?

omnifidus In JS, it is going to float. In this language, it is going to a u16.

tw0st3p std lib means anything in @import("std")

takaxo1 "float is to vague" - C++(probabbly)

takaxo1 too

omnifidus The line should y= index this.MAX...

tw0st3p @as("float" isn't a ting

tw0st3p thing

tw0st3p @as( f32

omnifidus You should not be casting. When I mentioned casting I didn't understand.

tw0st3p @as(f32, @floatFromInt(...))

ghostm4gic that looks overcomplicated

ghostm4gic why cast two times

tw0st3p you have to convert 3 to float first then divide right?

omnifidus In the JS, the number became a float. In the zig it becomes an integer and does not need the "floor()" call. The problem is in the main code, not in your debug.

ghostm4gic and why printf can't just take uncasted

tw0st3p 7.0 / 16 would also work

tw0st3p and produce a comptime_float

ghostm4gic 7.0f?

tw0st3p sorry 7.0 / 16.0

Lafolie_ So zig has little implicit coersion?

ghostm4gic now better

omnifidus Yup.

tw0st3p zig will always widen integers implicitly and require cast if losing data

Lafolie_ Ah okay

Lafolie_ Odin requires explicit cast for any numbers, except constants (which are untyped)

Lafolie_ Gotten so used to that

tw0st3p @floatFromInt instead

tw0st3p still need @as though

Lafolie_ So this the kinda stuff people mean when they say zig can be verbose

tw0st3p i find its easier to put stuff on different lines. so ...

tw0st3p const a: f16 = @floatFromInt(index)

tw0st3p const b: f16 = @floatFromInt(MAX_GRID);

Lafolie_ ouch haha

tw0st3p i think this would be much easier if you add MAX_GRID_Y-1 to index before dividing

tw0st3p then no float conversion necessary

Lafolie_ Probably get optimised anyway, so ^^ is probably a good idea

tw0st3p so (index + MAX_GRID_X-1) / MAX_GRID_X

omnifidus If you convert to int and back to float it gives floor(). In any case, this type handling is not acceptable. You must be missing something. It can't be this braindead.

omnifidus @tw0st3p This is not what you want.

ghostm4gic i don't like this language anymore

omnifidus float(int(1.3)) --> 1

omnifidus float *a = 1.3

omnifidus (int)a --> 1

Lafolie_ hang on

ghostm4gic converting to int should floor it automatically

Lafolie_ isn't int / int -> int?

omnifidus @ghostm4gic Yes.

ghostm4gic that's what omni means i guess

omnifidus I think you are confusing yourself.

omnifidus Replace the variables in getGridCoordingateXFronIndex() with numbers.