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MrFunnyGoodFeeling oi TwitchUnity

s9tpepper_ what's going on here today?

Owencodes guess who it is its you :)

Justin Henley :yougotthis:Gtsy champ. 👻

MrFunnyGoodFeeling I saw your name in chat in that taylor otwell stream that melkey did, have you seen it? it's out on youtube

TheIbraDev Hello there

dmmulroy happy toyotathon

MrFunnyGoodFeeling have you printed something cool with the 3D printer?

ALsJourney Hi SPIRO

ALsJourney How u doin

TheIbraDev Just a mini figurine of your mom

ALsJourney How are you my man

dmmulroy my mom is actually with me right now

Rei Ayanami What do you think anout react.js?

dmmulroy swtg

ALsJourney davidt73Cat

dmmulroy guest start rn you can say hi to my mom

ALsJourney Good to have ae

ALsJourney Hear that*

Rei Ayanami What do you like?

dmmulroy throw, try/catch, and top level http error handlers are the worst things to happen to TS/JS webdev. I've landed here after today

del_cx Opinions get you retweets on twitter, that must count for something

dmmulroy I've had issues with that for the past decade

dmmulroy I maintain that it is harder to build a reliable and scalable service in TS/Node than other comparable languages (Java, C#, Go, Rust, Scala, etc)

Lafolie_ try { stream() } catch { your_mum }

dmmulroy You can probably build services _faster_ w/ TS, but the expertise required to build them in a reliable and maintainable way is so much harder

del_cx Only time I used Node I almost failed my final uni project, then I discovered Go and remade entire project in 1.5 weeks with 500% features

del_cx I run binary in tmux session on my linode server, its been running for 10 months now kek

dmmulroy I disagree on slightly (only a bit though) on the root issue, but strongly agree w/ your take on the quality of the end software

Lafolie_ I see it as a kind of obfuscation

RajarshiKhatua100 i think Google and Facebook is not open because of my skill issues

RajarshiKhatua100 and their library and framework toolchain

Lafolie_ No but there's a bunch of medium articles that tell you why you should use it >.>

dmmulroy The only solution is no-code

dmmulroy Kappa

RajarshiKhatua100 that poor guy designed js in 10 days

RajarshiKhatua100 @dmmulroy i was thinking about putting wire in my head to make a todo app

RajarshiKhatua100 NURALIK NEUERALINK nEuWrAlInK

dmmulroy fuckin' steve

dmmulroy (idk steve)

KaleCotrell_ hey.

Quadrinomical oca mL

dmmulroy OCaml mentioned dmmulrOCamlBoss

dmmulroy https://x.com/dillon_mulroy/status/1810774919560548847

dmmulroy literally talking about what we were a few minutes ago on twitter now lol

RajarshiKhatua100 who much memory are we talking

Lafolie_ No it's 5

TheIbraDev Cursed

Lafolie_ This is exactly the Destroyallsoftware "Wat" video haha

TheIbraDev oy @RajarshiKhatua100 sup

RajarshiKhatua100 i bet i could justify if i see the js implementation

dmmulroy !isNaN()

dmmulroy TypeScript does solve this particular problem

dmmulroy parseInt can throw though

dmmulroy which you'd have no idea

RajarshiKhatua100 @TheIbraDev it's night in india

dmmulroy Agreed w/ the point you're making - i'd add, to refine my point from earlier, I think it's _harder_ to get to a point of proficiency and mastery w/ TS/JS than other languages/stacks. Also, agree w/ the "wow factor" aka "DX"

TheIbraDev @RajarshiKhatua100 you completed tomorrows habits, so you are good. (Embtr)

RajarshiKhatua100 SeemsGood

dmmulroy 💯

TheIbraDev Dx that leads in to developer tears a couple of months in. I feel like the dx is just for the first moment

takaxo1 wait wtf it didnt isNaN a with ´test´?

RajarshiKhatua100 if you compare with XML, js is not that bad

RajarshiKhatua100 FeelsStrongMan

dmmulroy xslt fo lyfe

takaxo1 but isnt it just the DX? wont it be all JS at the end of the day

987nabil As a coworker said, that I pushed a little to explore without help "I feel uncomfortable right now"

KaleCotrell_ Assembly is nice.. its not as hard as I thought tbh

del_cx You accidently described experience of anyone trying to replace programming knowledge with AI, oh wow it made a thing I asked it to make, lets adjust this one little aspect, aaaand its a dead end cause it can't and they don't know programming well enough to do it themselves

Lafolie_ <3 ASM

takaxo1 a pokedex Kekw

987nabil I mean, if you ask more of devs, they "don't feel good" so you should not. They say...

TheIbraDev Simple game engine in assembly

takaxo1 I have 3 functions written in webassembly

takaxo1 im good

KaleCotrell_ My personal instruction set or assembly is 6502 because of NES commodore and so on :)

KaleCotrell_ favorite*

TheIbraDev I've done real life machinery stuff in C, never touched assembly however.

Lafolie_ Try z80, it's wya me comfy

Lafolie_ *way more

KaleCotrell_ @Lafolie_ I like that too

Lafolie_ Gameboy using rgbasm is so fun

TheIbraDev People would get poisioned btw if my c code fails

doglitbug The ol' C will let you blow your whole foot off?

Rathyon what if b has a NaN

987nabil I actually think, we often hire ppl and don't push hard enough. They should grow. They should improve. And if they are not great, maybe they'd be happier doing something else. We should not lower standards or ask less, because they "don't fell good"

RajarshiKhatua100 i wonder if Andrew Kelley was Dennis Ritchie how zig will look today

TheIbraDev I would never use js for that LUL DX is pointless for the user, they don't give a shit. They want something that works, and doesn't kill them. DX is selfish if it's the main focus of a developer tbh.

doglitbug And declare your assumptions, for examp[le this function assumes you want to add numbers as opposed to adding two stirngs

KaleCotrell_ I'm not a true developer im more of a Cyber security guy but I do make stuff with languages.

doglitbug Also, I got sick of trying to program in JS, so I went and learnt C++

Ahnzh yoo

doglitbug And they can do JS on the back end, more saved $$$

987nabil Devs write code to build features. We build features for users. We write code for devs. Users don't care about the code. They don't read it.

RajarshiKhatua100 if i was a math wizard i would probably write matlab, haskell

RajarshiKhatua100 etc

doglitbug Not enough

TheIbraDev Probably too little. just a guess

Ahnzh 50%?

KaleCotrell_ Yeah not a lot

dmmulroy *laughs in intel agency*

KaleCotrell_ 20% or less

doglitbug 2%

TheIbraDev 69$

987nabil 100M?

Ahnzh 100b

RajarshiKhatua100 $1

Quadrinomical clearly we're spending too much on it, just don't click the virus X-D

Ahnzh 100b doesn't sound much globally in total

TheIbraDev 80 bill

dmmulroy does my subscription to norton antivirus and malware bytes count

doglitbug Except when viruses come in with no clicking needed...grrr

KaleCotrell_ I phised my cousin for fun... I didnt keep his data tho LOL

TheIbraDev (Totally didn't google)

Quadrinomical its at least 0.8 nvidias per year

TheIbraDev @Quadrinomical Not that much

RajarshiKhatua100 https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf

Ahnzh maybe a trillion?

Ahnzh it's globally

RajarshiKhatua100 cybersecurity is cyberpunk but in real life

TheIbraDev LUL

Ahnzh https://cybersecurityventures.com/cybersecurity-spending-2021-2025/

Ahnzh skill!

TheIbraDev 'dx'

KaleCotrell_ whats sad is i could use shodan (a hacking tool) and get some randoms windows XP computer and well... since its not updated. I could get a RCE exploit easily how sad it is no one updates.

doglitbug pushing features to market faster for money

Ahnzh i'll be very honest: missing understanding of the systems being used

Ahnzh like: not knowing the systems

Ahnzh that's a complexity issue

KaleCotrell_ Exactly

KaleCotrell_ There will always be a certain dev that made some crappy code that a hacker could do that...

RajarshiKhatua100 GEOHOT mentioned

doglitbug Saving $$$ now will lead to more being spent later?

TheIbraDev I really love sveltekit, but i don't understand at all how it actually works. I only feel comfortable building internal stuff with it

Marske1984 There he is, the man, the myth, it's Spiro !

doglitbug Im in New Zealand, our govt just removed our smoke free law so that they could get back $$$ tax...the spending in 30-40 years in public healthcare will be insane because of it

RajarshiKhatua100 being a computer programmer is above my paycheck, i am just a programmer. that's what she said

Marske1984 @SpirodonFL obv rewrite everything in react

Mehmetcan Şahin hi how are you

KaleCotrell_ I dont consider myself as a hacker or a programmer im just a person that likes computers

Mehmetcan Şahin fine thnx

Marske1984 @SpirodonFL can we talk about our lord and savior, Arch Btw ?

RajarshiKhatua100 i actually rewrited my whole life in RUST yesterday, now i can go blazing fast to your mom

hectorjeam your mom is rusty

hectorjeam good to see you too!

s9tpepper_ alright - mom jokes ... that's why I'm here

KaleCotrell_ Ig youre right spiro lol

hectorjeam spiro was right

Marske1984 @SpirodonFL I'm just here to flex that I responded with "I have users" for my Rust application running in production on X to a Tech bro

KaleCotrell_ "right"

Marske1984 Is Teej a tech bro ?

hicaro____ Sorry, I am late

del_cx have you forgot to take your red armband off

RajarshiKhatua100 #it'sdifficultbeingme

ALsJourney !left

hectorjeam you use rust in prod? I am sorry for you...

Quadrinomical (!) left

KaleCotrell_ Im a hax0r and I will Hax U

hicaro____ Your mom was not letting me watch the stream :(

TheIbraDev Here in the municipality i live in, 62 people were injured / died because of shitty code in the new health system. The gov spent over 500BILLION norwegian crowns on it, and it's still not even fucking done LUL

KaleCotrell_ lol

s9tpepper_ writing Rust right now for work ... PogChamp

Marske1984 But honestly, we did over 1 mil records in the last week with the rust application

Marske1984 @s9tpepper_ Nothing wrong with Rust

del_cx @TheIbraDev reminds me of that xray firmware which killed a bunch of people

KaleCotrell_ @TheIbraDev Bad code can even lead to death...

Lafolie_ oh god the xray stuff

hicaro____ I am joking, I am happy you are streaming

Lafolie_ There's a bunch of medical things like that

hectorjeam rust is slowwww

TheIbraDev They got injured / death is due to reports from tests, not reaching doctors. Positive cases of treatable cancer, has been forgotten, and not reported... The doctors, are running around with post it notes lmao.

KaleCotrell_ @hectorjeam "safe code"

Marske1984 @hectorjeam Not for my usecase

TheIbraDev @del_cx Yeah that one was tough

hectorjeam Option<Arc<Mutex<Pin<Box<dyn Future + Send + ‘static>>>>>

TheIbraDev @KaleCotrell_ Also at my prev job people could at worst die if we didn't properly program our machinery

del_cx chemical warfare? We call it a chemical W

Lafolie_ 1000% yes

KaleCotrell_ @TheIbraDev I believe it

Lafolie_ Remember stuxnet

doglitbug stuxnet?

TheIbraDev One water work hacked, and the entire municipality would be poisioned LUL

KaleCotrell_ I tried make some malware and Windows defender is OP... thats all im gonna say XD

s9tpepper_ we'd be better off if more people pierced your mom with the tools they use

Lafolie_ Recently I have thinking that GUIs are 'bad' for the same reason

TheIbraDev Casey is really really good

Lafolie_ @s9tpepper_ lol

doglitbug so we need to stop relieing on gentlemans agreements and program much more defensively?

KaleCotrell_ I dont like Jonathan blows opinions...

hectorjeam Jonathan blows your mom

Lafolie_ @KaleCotrell_ Why?

TheIbraDev Jonathan Blow is prob smart, but he's not as good as Casey in terms of communicating his opinions

KaleCotrell_ @Lafolie_ I dont follow peoples opinions because Id rather follow my own

Owencodes woo I have a chat with a recruiter tomorrow hope it goes well :)

TheIbraDev No, i just really like Casey

KaleCotrell_ @Owencodes good luck man

Lafolie_ @KaleCotrell_ Well that's fine, but what about his opinions do you not like?

TheIbraDev Some of Casey's rants speak to my soul

Lafolie_ \o/

del_cx you disagree on a ton of things with every human being, some are just soft enough with words that it doesn't feel this way.

Owencodes thanks bro

dombael am good, just busy AF :D but good busy!

KaleCotrell_ @Lafolie_ honestly I dont know what it is about them. But something just makes me not like them. His games are cool tho

jadenmcnally99 Hello 👍👍👍

jadenmcnally99 Can I ask you a question?

jadenmcnally99 Thank you.

Lafolie_ @KaleCotrell_ That's a pretty common sentiment

jadenmcnally99 🤣🤣🤣 I'm just stupid

del_cx this was THE question

Lafolie_ Can I not ask a question?

dombael and the answer is 42?…

KaleCotrell_ ANSWEER MEEE

hectorjeam can I ask a question too?

KaleCotrell_ NOIWWWWW

jadenmcnally99 Nah I'm just talking shiii I'm from Manchester UK hope all is good everyone 👍👍👍

del_cx Be a first streamer to give viewers homework

hectorjeam streams have def done that before

jadenmcnally99 Alot of money or not alot?

TheIbraDev Give me homework for tomorrow Spiro!

KaleCotrell_ ill DDOS ur mom

Lafolie_ Wait are we still guesing that

KaleCotrell_ BET

TheIbraDev So what's the homework?

KaleCotrell_ lol

jadenmcnally99 I have a good question now, what happens after we die?

Lafolie_ Chat can we demand a poll

Quadrinomical Homework: Build a shed.

Owencodes I just wanted to say you missed all the <mom> jokes in my servers vc haha

Owencodes was funny lol

Lafolie_ That's not a question it's an essay Spiro

TheIbraDev @Quadrinomical I think i'd rather go for this one instead @SpirodonFL

hectorjeam what happens when you die on the rust hill?

Owencodes LUL LUL LUL

KaleCotrell_ HAHA

Owencodes you sure about that ur mom seemed to enjoy them lol

Lafolie_ You will implode safely though

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